The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families




Henry V Holy Roman Emperor and Empress Matilda Countess of Anjou




Husband Henry V Holy Roman Emperor

           Born: 8 Jan 1086
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           Died: 23 May 1125
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         Father: Henry IV Holy Roman Emperor (1050-1106) 1 2
         Mother: Bertha of Savoy (1051-1087) 3 4


       Marriage: 7 Jan 1114 - Worms, (Rhine-Palatinate, Germany)



Wife Empress Matilda Countess of Anjou 5 6

            AKA: Mathilda of England, Empress Maud Countess of Anjou, Maude of England
           Born: Abt 7 Feb 1102
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           Died: 10 Sep 1167
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         Father: Henry I "Beauclerc" King of England (Between 1068/1069-1135) 7 8
         Mother: Matilda of Scotland (1079-1118)



   Other Spouse: Geoffrey V Plantagenet Count of Anjou, Duke of Normandy (1113-1151) 9 10 11 - 22 May 1128 - Le Mans, (Sarthe), Maine, (France)


Children

Research Notes: Husband - Henry V Holy Roman Emperor

Source: Wikipedia - Bertha of Savoy


Birth Notes: Wife - Empress Matilda Countess of Anjou

Ancestral Roots Line 1-23 has b. abt. 1102-1104; Line 118-25 has b. 1104.
Some other source has b. Feb 1101


Research Notes: Wife - Empress Matilda Countess of Anjou

From Wikipedia - Empress Matilda :

Empress Matilda, also known as Matilda of England or Maude (c. 7 February 1102 - 10 September 1167) was the daughter and heir of King Henry I of England . Matilda and her younger brother, William Adelin , were the only legitimate children of King Henry. Her brother died young in the White ship disaster , leaving Matilda as the last heir from the paternal line of her grandfather William the Conqueror .

As a child, Matilda was betrothed and later married to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor . From her marriage to Henry, she acquired the title Empress. The couple had no known children. When widowed, she was married to the much younger Geoffrey of Anjou , by whom she became the mother of three sons, the eldest of whom became King Henry II of England .

Matilda was the first female ruler of the Kingdom of England . However the length of her effective rule was quite brief - a few months in 1141 - and she was never crowned and failed to consolidate her rule (legally and politically). Because of this she is normally excluded from lists of English monarchs, and her rival (and cousin) Stephen of Blois is routinely listed as monarch for the period 1135-1154. Their warring rivalry for the throne led to years of unrest and civil war in England that have been called The Anarchy . She did secure her inheritance of the Duchy of Normandy - through the military feats of her husband Geoffrey - and she campaigned unstintingly for her oldest son's inheritance, living to see him ascend the throne in 1154.

(In Latin texts Matilda was sometimes called Maude . This is a modernised spelling of the Norman-French form of her name, Mahaut.)

Early life
Matilda was the firstborn of two children to Henry I of England and his wife Matilda of Scotland (also known as Edith). Her maternal grandparents were Malcolm III of Scotland and Saint Margaret of Scotland . Margaret was daughter of Edward the Exile and granddaughter of Edmund II of England . (Most historians believe Matilda was born at Winchester , but one, John Fletcher (1990), argues for the possibility of the royal palace at Sutton Courtenay in Oxfordshire .)

First marriage: Holy Roman Empress
When she was seven years old, Matilda was betrothed to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor ; at nine, she was sent to the Holy Roman Empire (Germany) to begin training for the life of Empress consort . The royal couple were married at Worms on January 7, 1114, and Matilda accompanied her husband on tours to Rome and Tuscany . After time, the young wife of the Emperor acted as regent , mainly in Italy, in his absence[1]. Emperor Henry died in 1125. The imperial couple had no surviving offspring, but Herman of Tournai states that Matilda bore a son who lived only a short while.

Despite being popularly known by the title "Empress " from her first marriage, Matilda's right to the title was dubious. She was never crowned Holy Roman Empress by a legitimate Pope - which ceremony was normally required to achieve the title; indeed, in later years she encouraged chroniclers to believe she had been crowned by the Pope. Contemporary, she was called German Queen by her husband's bishops, while her formal title was recorded as "Queen of the Romans". Still, "Empress" was arguably an appropriate courtesy title for the wife of an Emperor who had been crowned by the Pope.

In 1120 her brother William Adelin was drowned in the disastrous wreck of the White Ship , which left Matilda as the only legitimate child of her father King Henry . Like Matilda, her cousin Stephen of Blois was a grandchild of William (the Conqueror) of Normandy ; but her paternal line made her senior in right of succession to his maternal line.

Second marriage: Countess of Anjou
Matilda returned to England a young widow, age 23, and dowager "Empress" - a status of considerable pride to her. There Henry named her his heir to both the English throne and his Duchy of Normandy . Henry saw to it that the Anglo-Norman barons (including Stephen of Blois ) were sworn (several times) to accept Matilda as ruler if Henry died without a male heir.

Henry then arranged a second marriage for Matilda; as he aimed to achieve peace between the fractious barons of Normandy and Anjou. On 17 June 1128, Matilda, aged 26, was married to Geoffrey of Anjou , aged 15, who also was Count of Maine and heir apparent to (his father) the Count of Anjou - which title he soon acquired, and by which Matilda became Countess of Anjou. It was a title she rarely used. Geoffrey called himself "Plantagenet " from the broom flower (planta genista) he adopted as his personal emblem. So Plantagenet became the dynastic name of that powerful line of English kings who descended from Matilda and Geoffrey.

Matilda's marriage with Geoffrey was troubled; there were frequent long separations, but they had three sons and she survived him. The eldest son, Henry , was born on 5 March 1133. In 1134, she nearly died in childbirth, following the birth of her second son, Geoffrey, Count of Nantes . A third son, William X, Count of Poitou , was born in 1136.

When her father died in Normandy, on 1 December 1135, Matilda was with her husband, in Anjou ; and, crucially, too far away from events rapidly unfolding in England and Normandy. Stephen of Blois rushed to England upon learning of Henry's death; in London he moved quickly to grasp the crown of England from its appointed heir.

But Matilda was game to contest Stephen in both realms; she and her husband Geoffrey entered Normandy and began military campaigns to claim her inheritance. Progress was uneven at first, but she persevered; even so, it was not until 1139 that Matilda felt secure enough in Normandy to turn her attentions to invading England and fighting Stephen directly.
In Normandy, Geoffrey secured all fiefdoms west and south of the Seine by 1143; in January 1144, he crossed the Seine and took Rouen without resistance. He assumed the title Duke of Normandy , and Matilda became Duchess of Normandy. Geoffrey and Matilda held the duchy conjointly until 1149, then ceded it to their son, Henry, which event was soon ratified by King Louis VII of France .

Struggle for throne of England
On the death of her father, Henry I, in 1135, Matilda expected to succeed to the throne of England , but her cousin, Stephen of Blois , a nephew of Henry I, usurped the throne with the support of most of the barons, breaking the oath he had previously made to defend her rights. The civil war which followed was bitter and prolonged, with neither side gaining the ascendancy for long, but it was not until 1139 that Matilda could command the military strength necessary to challenge Stephen within his own realm. Stephen's wife, the Countess of Boulogne who was also named Matilda , was the Empress's maternal cousin. During the war, Matilda's most loyal and capable supporter was her illegitimate half-brother, Robert, 1st Earl of Gloucester .

Matilda's greatest triumph came in April 1141, when her forces defeated and captured King Stephen at the Battle of Lincoln . He was made a prisoner and effectively deposed.

Her advantage lasted only a few months. When she marched on London , the city was ready to welcome her and support her coronation . She used the title of Lady of the English and planned to assume the title of queen upon coronation (the custom which was followed by her grandsons, Richard and John ).[2] However, she refused the citizens' request to have their taxes halved and, because of her own arrogance [2], she found the gates of London shut and the civil war reignited on 24 June 1141. By November, Stephen was free, having been exchanged for the captured Robert of Gloucester, and a year later, the tables were turned when Matilda was besieged at Oxford but escaped to Wallingford , supposedly by fleeing across the snow-covered land in a white cape. In 1141 she had escaped Devizes in a similarly clever manner, by disguising herself as a corpse and being carried out for burial. In 1148, Matilda and Henry returned to Normandy , following the death of Robert of Gloucester, and the reconquest of that county by her husband. Upon their arrival, Geoffrey turned Normandy over to his son, and retired to his own county of Anjou .

Later life
Matilda's first son, Henry , was showing signs of becoming a successful leader. Although the civil war had been decided in Stephen's favour, his reign was troubled. In 1153, the death of his son Eustace, combined with the arrival of a military expedition led by Henry, led him to acknowledge the latter as his heir by the Treaty of Wallingford .

Matilda retired to Rouen in Normandy during her last years, where she maintained her own court and presided over the government of the duchy in the absence of Henry. She intervened in the quarrels between her eldest son Henry and her second son Geoffrey, but peace between the brothers was brief. Geoffrey rebelled against Henry twice before his sudden death in 1158. Relations between Henry and his youngest brother, William X, Count of Poitou , were more cordial, and William was given vast estates in England. Archbishop Thomas Becket refused to allow William to marry the Countess of Surrey and the young man fled to Matilda's court at Rouen. William, who was his mother's favourite child, died there in January 1164, reportedly of disappointment and sorrow. She attempted to mediate in the quarrel between her son Henry and Becket, but was unsuccessful.

Although she gave up hope of being crowned in 1141, her name always preceded that of her son Henry, even after he became king. Matilda died at Notre Dame du Pré near Rouen and was buried in the Abbey church of Bec-Hellouin, Normandy. Her body was transferred to the Rouen Cathedral in 1847; her epitaph reads: "Great by Birth, Greater by Marriage, Greatest in her Offspring: Here lies Matilda, the daughter, wife, and mother of Henry."


King Henry VIII of England and Mary Boleyn




Husband King Henry VIII of England 12

            AKA: King Henry Tudor VIII, King Henry VIII Tudor
           Born: 28 Jun 1491 - Greenwich, London, Middlesex, England
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           Died: 28 Jan 1547 - Whitehall, London, Middlesex, England
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         Father: King Henry VII of England (1457-1509) 13
         Mother: Elizabeth of York (1466-1503) 14


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Wife Mary Boleyn 15

           Born: 1504 - Chilton Forest, Wiltshire, England
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           Died: 19 Jul 1534
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         Father: Thomas Boleyn 1st Earl of Wiltshire (1477-1539) 16
         Mother: Elizabeth Howard (1486-1538) 17



   Other Spouse: William Cary Gentleman of the Privy (1492-1528) 18


Children
1 F Mary Catherine Cary 19

           Born: 1518 - Chilton, Wiltshire, England
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           Died: 15 Aug 1568 - East Molesey, Surrey, England
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         Spouse: Sir Francis Knollys (1514-1596) 19



Research Notes: Child - Mary Catherine Cary

Rumored to be the daughter of Henry VIII.


Private and Private




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1 M Private (details suppressed for this person)

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Research Notes: Child - Private

King of the Britons south of the Humber, reigning for 2 years, then another 33 years as King of all the Britons. Contemporary with Isaiah, Hosea, Romulus and Remus.

From Wikipedia - Cunedagius :

Cunedagius (latinized form; Welsh : Cunedda [1]) was a legendary king of the Britons , as recounted by Geoffrey of Monmouth . He was the son of Henwinus , Duke of Cornwall , and Regan, the daughter of King Leir .

Cunedagius, grandson of Leir, despised the rule of his aunt Cordelia . With the help of his cousin Marganus , Cunedagius took over the kingdom from Cordelia and ruled half of it. Following Cordelia's suicide, Cunedagius came to rule the region of Britain southwest of the Humber .

Two years after they split the island, Marganus invaded Cornwall and destroyed much of the land. Cunedagius met him in battle and defeated him. Marganus fled throughout Britain until he was cornered in Wales . Cunedagius killed him and became king of all of Britain. He ruled all of Britain for 33 years and was succeeded by his son, Rivallo .

Geoffrey synchronizes Cunedagius' reign with the ministry of the Jewish prophet Isaiah and the building of Rome by Romulus and Remus . Both events are dated to the 8th century BC




Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques




Husband Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques 20 21

            AKA: Herfast de Crépon
           Born: Abt 911 - Normandy, France
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           Died: Abt 984
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1 F Wevia de Crépon 20

            AKA: Duceline de Crepon
           Born: Abt 942 - <Pont-Audemer, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
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         Spouse: Touroude de Harcourt (Abt 0940-Abt 1040) 20 22


2 F Senfrie de Crépon 20

            AKA: Sainfrie de Crepon
           Born: Abt 970 - <Normandy>, France
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Research Notes: Husband - Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 121E-20 (Richard I)


Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques




Husband Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques 20 21

            AKA: Herfast de Crépon
           Born: Abt 911 - Normandy, France
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           Died: Abt 984
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1 M Herfast de Crepon 20

           Born: Abt 975 - France
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Research Notes: Husband - Herbastus de Crépon, Forester of Arques

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 121E-20 (Richard I)


Herbert I of Maine




Husband Herbert I of Maine 23

            AKA: Herbert I "Evigilans Canis" of Maine, Herbert I "Wakedog" of Maine
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           Died: 1036
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         Father: Hugh III of Maine (      -      ) 23
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• Count of Maine: 1015-1036.




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1 F Paula 24

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         Spouse: Jean de Beaugency Lord of La Flêche (      -      ) 24



Research Notes: Husband - Herbert I of Maine

From Wikipedia - Herbert I of Maine :

Herbert I (died 1036), called Wakedog or Evigilans Canis (Eveille-Chien), was the count of Maine from 1015, the son and successor of Hugh III .

Under the last Carolingian and first Capetian kings of France , royal power declined sharply and many royal rights were amassed by the greater and lesser nobility. Herbert of Maine even struck coins with his own monogram. He purchased the loyalty of his vassals by dolling out his land to them and granting them the right to build castles, which proliferated, as at Sablé , Château-du-Loir , Mayenne , Laval , La Ferté Bernard , Saint Calais , Sillé (after 1050), La Suze , Malicorne , La Milesse , Montfort , and Sourches .

From the beginning of his reign, he was constrained to aid his suzerain, Fulk III of Anjou , in a war against Odo II of Blois , both of whom had designs on the Touraine . In 1016, following an attack on the fortress of Montrichard , Odo met the forces of Fulk at the Battle of Pontlevoy on 6 July . Despite Odo's numerical advantage, by the intervention of Herbert, the battle went to Fulk. One of the consequences of the battle was to create a balance of power in the region, which was followed by peace for several years.

By marrying his son to Bertha of Chartres, daughter of Odo II of Blois , Herbert was able to maintain himself independent of his legal suzerain. He also allied with the count of Rennes , who threatened Fulk from the west. He made enemies with the king, Robert II , and even expelled the bishop of Le Mans , Avesgaud of Bellème , from his diocese. Finally, on 7 March 1025 , he was arrested in Saintes by Fulk, who kept him imprisoned for two years until a coalition forced his release. Herbert then did homage to Fulk.

Herbert left four children:
Hugh IV , successor, married Bertha, daughter of Odo of Blois
Biota, married Walter III of the Vexin
Paula, either wife or mother of John de Beaugency , among whose children was Elias to whom Maine eventually passed
Gersenda, married firstly Theobald III of Blois ; divorced in 1048 and married secondly Albert Azzo II, Margrave of Milan


Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes and Liegarde of France




Husband Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes 25 26 27 28

            AKA: Herbert II de Vermandois
           Born: Between 880 and 890 - Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France
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           Died: 23 Feb 943 - Saint-Quentin, Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France
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         Father: Herbert I Count of Vermandois (Abt 0850-0900/0907) 29 30 31
         Mother: Bertha de Morvois (Abt 0844-      ) 32


       Marriage: by 907



Wife Liegarde of France 20 33

            AKA: Adela of France, Hildebrante of France
           Born: Abt 886 - <Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France>
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           Died: After 931
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         Father: Robert I Duke of France (0866-0923) 34
         Mother: Aelis (Abt 0864-      ) 20 35 36




Children
1 M Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and Vienne

           Born: 910
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2 F Adele of Vermandois 20 37 38 39

            AKA: Alix de Vermandois, Adaele de Vermandois, Alice de Vermandois
           Born: Between 910 and 915 - Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, Neustria, France
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           Died: 10 Oct 960 - Bruges, (West Flanders), Flanders (Belgium)
         Buried:  - Abbaye de Saint Pierre, Gand (Ghent), Flanders (Belgium)
         Spouse: Arnulf I Count of Flanders and Artois (Abt 0890-0964/0965) 20 40 41 42
           Marr: 934


3 M Robert of Vermandois, Count of Trois and Meaux 27 43 44 45

            AKA: Robert de Vermandois
           Born: Abt 920 - Vermand, Vermandois , (Aisne), Picardy, France
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           Died: Aug 967 or 968 - Troyes, Champagne, (Aube), France
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         Spouse: Adélaide de Bourgogne (Abt 0918-0967) 27 46
           Marr: by 950


4 M Albert I "the Pious" Count of Vermandois 47 48

            AKA: Adalbert I Count of Vermandois, Adelbert I Count of Vermandois, Albert I le Pieux Count of Vermandois
           Born: Abt 920 - <Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France>
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           Died: 8 Sep 988 - <Saint-Quentin, Vermandois, (Aisne, Picardy), France>
         Buried:  - Saint-Quentin, Vermandois (Aisne, Picardy), France
         Spouse: Gerberga of Lorraine (Abt 0935-0978) 49
           Marr: Bef 954


5 F Luitgarde of Vermandois

           Born: Abt 920
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           Died: After 978
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         Spouse: William I "Longsword" Duke of Normandy (Abt 0892-0942) 20 50 51


6 M Herbert "the Elder" Count of Meaux and of Troyes

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7 M Hugh of Vermandois, Archbishop of Reims

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Research Notes: Husband - Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes

From Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois :


Herbert II (884 - 23 February 943 ), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes , was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois .


Life
He inherited the domain of his father and in 907 , added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey . His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux . In 918 , he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin . With his cousin Bernard , Count of Beauvais and Senlis , he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris . In 923 , he imprisoned King Charles III in Chateau-Thierry , then in Péronne .

In 922 , the Archbishop of Rheims , Seulf , called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925 , with the help of King Rudolph , he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926 , on the death of Count Roger of Laon , Herbert demanded this County for Eudes , his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930 , Herbert took the castle of Vitry in Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria , and in 931 , they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon , Chateau-Thierry, and Soissons . The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler , allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword , duke of Normandy against King Louis IV , who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941 . Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé , near Liège , in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy
Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Albert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I , count of Flanders , Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I , count of Blois , the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

Family
...With Adela [daughter of Robert I of France], he had 7 children:
Adele of Vermandois (910 -960 ), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders , also a descendant of Charlemagne
Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne , (910 -946 )
Herbert "the Elder" , Count of Meaux and of Troyes (-993 )
Robert of Vermandois , Count of Meaux and Chalons (-968 )
Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915 -987 ), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne
Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920 -978 ), married 943 Theobald I of Blois
Hugh of Vermandois (died 962 ), Archbishop of Reims


Birth Notes: Wife - Liegarde of France

FamilySearch has b. abt 897 in Vermandois, Neustria.


Research Notes: Wife - Liegarde of France

Source: Also familysearch.org (Kevin Bradford)
and
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593871885

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 49-18 (Herbert II) has "m. bef. 907, LIEGARDE (Hildebrante) (Adela) (48-19), of France, dau. of ROBERT I (48-18), King of the West Franks, by his first wife, Aelis."


Research Notes: Child - Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and Vienne

Source: Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois


Birth Notes: Child - Robert of Vermandois, Count of Trois and Meaux

Another source has b. abt 916


Research Notes: Child - Robert of Vermandois, Count of Trois and Meaux

From Wikipedia - Robert of Vermandois :

Robert of Vermandois (died 968 ) was Count of Meaux after his father Herbert II of Vermandois .

He was married to Adelaide of Burgundy, daughter of Giselbert, Duke of Burgundy . They had three children:
Herbert III, Count of Meaux (c. 950 -995 )
Adele of Meaux , (c. 950 -c. 980 )
Adelaise of Troyes (c. 955 -c. 991 )


Death Notes: Child - Albert I "the Pious" Count of Vermandois

FamilySearch has d. 7 Sep 978 in St. Quentin, Flanders. May have reversed digits in 978, and it should be 987.


Research Notes: Child - Albert I "the Pious" Count of Vermandois

From Wikipedia - Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois :

Adalbert I of Vermandois (French : Albert I le Pieux, the Pious) (c. 915 /917 - 9 September 988 ), Count of Vermandois , was the son of Herbert II of Vermandois and Adela.

Family
In 954 he married Gerberge of Lorraine (c. 935 -978 ), daughter of Giselbert , Duke of Lorraine , and Gerberga of Saxony .
Their children were:
Herbert III of Vermandois
Eudes of Vermandois (c. 956 -983 )
Liudolfe de Noyon (c. 957 -986 )
Guy I of Vermandois , count of Soissons


Research Notes: Child - Luitgarde of Vermandois

Second wife of William I "Longsword"

Source: Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois


Research Notes: Child - Herbert "the Elder" Count of Meaux and of Troyes

Not the same person as Herbert III

Source: Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois


Research Notes: Child - Hugh of Vermandois, Archbishop of Reims

Source: Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois


Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes




Husband Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes 25 26 27 28

            AKA: Herbert II de Vermandois
           Born: Between 880 and 890 - Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France
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           Died: 23 Feb 943 - Saint-Quentin, Vermandois, (Aisne), Picardy, France
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         Father: Herbert I Count of Vermandois (Abt 0850-0900/0907) 29 30 31
         Mother: Bertha de Morvois (Abt 0844-      ) 32


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   Other Spouse: Liegarde of France (Abt 0886-After 0931) 20 33 - by 907



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Research Notes: Husband - Herbert II Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes

From Wikipedia - Herbert II, Count of Vermandois :


Herbert II (884 - 23 February 943 ), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes , was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois .


Life
He inherited the domain of his father and in 907 , added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey . His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux . In 918 , he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin . With his cousin Bernard , Count of Beauvais and Senlis , he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris . In 923 , he imprisoned King Charles III in Chateau-Thierry , then in Péronne .

In 922 , the Archbishop of Rheims , Seulf , called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925 , with the help of King Rudolph , he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926 , on the death of Count Roger of Laon , Herbert demanded this County for Eudes , his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930 , Herbert took the castle of Vitry in Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria , and in 931 , they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon , Chateau-Thierry, and Soissons . The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler , allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword , duke of Normandy against King Louis IV , who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941 . Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé , near Liège , in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy
Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Albert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I , count of Flanders , Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I , count of Blois , the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

Family
...With Adela [daughter of Robert I of France], he had 7 children:
Adele of Vermandois (910 -960 ), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders , also a descendant of Charlemagne
Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne , (910 -946 )
Herbert "the Elder" , Count of Meaux and of Troyes (-993 )
Robert of Vermandois , Count of Meaux and Chalons (-968 )
Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915 -987 ), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne
Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920 -978 ), married 943 Theobald I of Blois
Hugh of Vermandois (died 962 ), Archbishop of Reims


Herbert III Count of Vermandois and Ogiva of England




Husband Herbert III Count of Vermandois 20 52

           Born: Between 942 and 953
     Christened: 
           Died: 993
         Buried: 


         Father: Albert I "the Pious" Count of Vermandois (Abt 0920-0988) 47 48
         Mother: Gerberga of Lorraine (Abt 0935-0978) 49


       Marriage: 951

   Other Spouse: Ermengarde (Abt 0946-After 1042) 20 53 - by 987



Wife Ogiva of England

            AKA: Edgifu, Edgiva of England, Ogive
           Born: 902 - Wessex, England
     Christened: 
           Died: After 955
         Buried: 


         Father: Edward I "the Elder" King of England (Between 0871/0875-0924/0925) 54 55 56
         Mother: Elfreda (Abt 0878-      ) 20 55 57



   Other Spouse: Charles III "the Simple" King of Western Francia (0879-0929) 20 58 59 - 7 Oct 919


Children

Birth Notes: Husband - Herbert III Count of Vermandois

Ancestral Roots has b. abt 955, but if he married Ogiva in 951, something is in error.
FamilySearch has b. between 942 and 953


Death Notes: Husband - Herbert III Count of Vermandois

FamilySearch has d. 29 Aug 0997/1015.
Ancestral Roots has d. 993


Research Notes: Husband - Herbert III Count of Vermandois

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, Baltimore, 2008, Line 50-20. This source has b. abt 955, but if he married Ogiva in 951, something is in error.


Research Notes: Wife - Ogiva of England

3rd wife of Charles II "the Simple"

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), Line 50-20 (Herbert III). Line 148-17 (Charles III) has d. 951

Source: Wikipedia - Edward the Elder and Eadgifu of England

From Wikipedia - Eadgifu of England :

Eadgifu (b. 902 , d. after 955 ) or Edgifu, was a daughter [1] of Edward the Elder , King of Wessex and England , and his second wife Aelffaed . She was born in Wessex .


Marriage to the French King
She was the second wife of King Charles III of France ,[1] whom she married in 919 after the death of his first wife, Frederonne ; she was mother to Louis IV of France .


Flight to England
In 922 Charles III was deposed and the next year taken prisoner by Count Herbert II of Vermandois , an ally of the present King. To protect her son's safety Eadgifu took him to England in 923 to the court of her half-brother, Athelstan of England .[2] Because of this, Louis IV of France became known as Louis d'Outremer of France. He stayed there until 936, when he was called back to France to be crowned King. Eadgifu accompanied him.
She retired to a convent in Laon. Then, in 951, she left the convent and married Herbert III, Count of Vermandois .[2]


Notes
^ a b Lappenberg, Johann ; Benjamin Thorpe, translator (1845). A History of England Under the Anglo-Saxon Kings. J. Murray, pp. 88-89.
^ a b Williams, Ann ; Alfred P. Smyth, D. P. Kirby (1991). A Biographical Dictionary of Dark Age Britain: England, Scotland, and Wales. Routledge, p. 112. ISBN 1852640472 .

References
Lappenberg, Johann ; Benjamin Thorpe, translator (1845). A History of England Under the Anglo-Saxon Kings. J. Murray, pp. 88-89.
Williams, Ann ; Alfred P. Smyth, D. P. Kirby (1991). A Biographical Dictionary of Dark Age Britain: England, Scotland, and Wales. Routledge, p. 112. ISBN 1852640472 .


Hnabi Duke of Alemannia and Hereswind




Husband Hnabi Duke of Alemannia 60 61 62

            AKA: Nebi Count in Allemania
           Born: Abt 710 - <Alemannia (Germany)>
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 788
         Buried: 


         Father: Houching Count in Alemania (Abt 0675-0727) 63 64
         Mother: 


       Marriage: 



Wife Hereswind 62

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 F Emma of Allemania 65 66 67

           Born: Abt 735 - Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia (Germany)
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 785
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Desiderius King of the Lombards (Abt 0710-0774) 68
         Spouse: Gerold of Swabia, Count in Linzgau, Prefect in Bavaria (Abt 0725-0799) 69 70
           Marr: 727



Birth Notes: Husband - Hnabi Duke of Alemannia

May have been born around 700


Death Notes: Husband - Hnabi Duke of Alemannia

May have died around 775.


Research Notes: Husband - Hnabi Duke of Alemannia

founder of the "old" line of the Ahalolfings .

From Wikipedia - Hnabi :

Hnabi or Nebi (c. 710 - c. 788) was an Alemannic duke in the eighth century. He was a son of Huoching and perhaps a grandson of the duke Gotfrid , which would make him a scion of the Agilolfing dynasty of Bavaria . He himself was the founder of the "old" line of the Ahalolfings .

Around 724 he was one of the joint founders of the monastery of Reichenau .

By his wife Hereswind he left at least two children, Robert, who was count in the Hegau , and Imma or Emma (died c. 785), who married Gerold of Vintzgau and was the mother of Eric of Friuli and Hildegard , wife of Charlemagne .


Death Notes: Child - Emma of Allemania

May have died between 788 and 798


Research Notes: Child - Emma of Allemania

From Wikipedia - Hildegard of Vinzgouw :

Hildegard (758 -30 April 783 ) was the daughter of count Gerold of Vinzgouw and Emma of Alamannia, daughter of Hnabi , Duke of Alamannia .
--
From Wikipedia - Gerold of Vinzgouw :

"In 757 , [Gerold of Vinzgouw] married Emma of Alamannia (730-789), daughter of Hnabi , Duke of Alamannia . They had the following:
Eric of Friuli
Adrian, Count of Orléans , father of Odo I, Count of Orléans
Gerold
Udalrich
Hildegard , who in 771 married King Charlemagne .
'


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42 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593871976.

43 Wikipedia.org, Robert of Vermandois.

44 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 118-19.

45 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593871886.

46 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593871933.

47 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 50-19, 140-19 (Gerberga), 142-19 (Gerberga).

48 Wikipedia.org, Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois.

49 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 140-19, 50-20 (Herbert III).

50 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 121E-19.

51 Wikipedia.org, William I, Duke of Normandy.

52 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 50-20.

53 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 50-20 (Herbert III), 140-20 (Herbert III).

54 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 1-15, 45-16.

55 Wikipedia.org, Edward the Elder.

56 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593872162.

57 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593872375.

58 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 148-17.

59 Wikipedia.org, Charles the Simple.

60 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 182-3.

61 http://www.familysearch.org, FamilySearch.org Compact Disc #94 Pin #95135 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer) has Duke of Allemania, d. 788.

62 Wikipedia.org, Hnabi.

63 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 812-2.

64 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #98929 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

65 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #91443 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

66 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 182-4.

67 Wikipedia.org, Hildegard of Vinzgouw; Gerold of Vinzgouw; Hnabi.

68 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #91486 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

69 Wikipedia.org, Gerold of Vinzgouw.

70 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 50-13 (Charlemagne).


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