The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families




Hugh I de Montfort




Husband Hugh I de Montfort 1

           Born: Abt 975 - Normandy, France
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         Father: Thurston de Montfort (Abt 0928-      ) 1
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1 M Hugh de Montfort 1

           Born: Abt 1020 - <Montfort-sur-Risle, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
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         Spouse: Alice de Beaufou (      -      ) 1





Ralph de Toeni de Conches and Isabel de Montfort




Husband Ralph de Toeni de Conches 1

            AKA: Ralph de Conches
           Born: Abt 1029 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
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           Died: 24 Mar 1102
         Buried:  - Conches (Conches-sur-Gondoire), (Seine-et-Marne), France


         Father: Roger "the Spaniard" de Toeni (Abt 0990-Abt 1039) 1
         Mother: Godehilde Borrell (Abt 0995-After 1077) 1


       Marriage: Abt 1076 - Île-de-France, France



Wife Isabel de Montfort 1

            AKA: Elizabeth Montford, Isabel Montford
           Born: Abt 1058 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
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         Father: Simon I de Montfort (Abt 1025-1087) 1 2 3
         Mother: Isabel de Broyes (Abt 1034-      ) 1




Children
1 M Ralph de Toeni de Conches 1

            AKA: Ralph de Conches
           Born: Abt 1079 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
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           Died: Abt 1126 - Conches (Conches-sur-Gondoire), (Seine-et-Marne), France
         Buried:  - Conches (Conches-sur-Gondoire), (Seine-et-Marne), France
         Spouse: Alice Huntingdon (Abt 1085-After 1126) 1 4
           Marr: 1103 - England





Ralph de Gael de Montfort 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridge




Husband Ralph de Gael de Montfort 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridge 5 6

            AKA: Ralph of Montfort, Ralph de Gael 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridge, Raoul II de Gael Seigneur de Gael et Montfort, Ralph de Gauder, Ralph de Waiet Seigneur de Gael de Montfort
           Born: Abt 1078 - Montfort, <Normandy or Brittany>, France
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         Father: Ralph de Gael Seigneur de Gaël et Montfort (Bef 1040-After 1095) 1 7
         Mother: Emma FitzOsbern (Abt 1059-After 1095) 1


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• Seigneur of Montford de Gael: in Brittany.




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1 F Amice de Gael de Montfort 1 5 8

            AKA: Amice de Gael, Amicia de Gael, Amice de Montfort
           Born: Abt 1108
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           Died: 31 Aug 1168 or 1169
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         Spouse: Sir Robert de Beaumont 2nd Earl of Leicester (1104-1168) 1 8 9
           Marr: After 1120




Research Notes: Husband - Ralph de Gael de Montfort 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridge

Source: Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester

Also Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 63-25 (Sir Robert de Beaumont) - Ralph de Gael de Montfort; line 53-25 (Sir Robert de Beaumont) - Seigneur of Montford de Gael in Brittany. 5 6


Thurston de Montfort




Husband Thurston de Montfort 1

           Born: Abt 928 - Normandy, France
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1 M Hugh I de Montfort 1

           Born: Abt 975 - Normandy, France
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Simon IV de Montfort l'Aumary




Husband Simon IV de Montfort l'Aumary

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1 M Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester

            AKA: Simon III de Montfort Earl of Leicester
           Born: Abt 1208 - Normandy, France
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           Died: 4 Aug 1265 - Evesham, Worcestershire, England
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         Spouse: Eleanor (1215-1275)
           Marr: 7 Jan 1238 or 1239




Research Notes: Husband - Simon IV de Montfort l'Aumary

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 260-30 (Eleanor)


Research Notes: Child - Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester

Second husband of Eleanor.

Source: Welsh Settlement of Pennsylvania by Charles H. Browning, Philadelphia, 1912.

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 260-30 (Eleanor)


Roger de Montgomerie and Josceline de Ponteaudemer




Husband Roger de Montgomerie 1

            AKA: Roger de Montgomery
           Born: Abt 985 - <Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, (Calvados), Normandy>, France
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Wife Josceline de Ponteaudemer 1

           Born: Abt 989 - <Pont-Audemer, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
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         Mother: Senfrie de Crépon (Abt 0970-      ) 1




Children
1 M Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury 1 10 11 12 13




            AKA: Roger de Monte Comerico, Roger de Montgomerie et Vicomté de Hiémois, Roger de Montgomerie 1st Ear of Shrewsbury, Roger "the Great" de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
           Born: Abt 1022 - Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, (Calvados), Normandy, (France)
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           Died: 27 Jul 1094 - Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
         Buried:  - Abbey of St Peter and St Paul, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
         Spouse: Mabel Talvas (Abt 1026-1079) 1 14
           Marr: 1048 - Perche, France




Birth Notes: Child - Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

May have been born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, though Normandy is more likely.


Research Notes: Child - Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

From http://cybergata.com/roots/409.htm :
~Schwennicke's ES 3:637-41. Before the conquest, Roger was known as "de Monte Comerico", which was anglicized to Montgomery.


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From Wikipedia - Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury :

Roger de Montgomerie, also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury . His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor , wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy . The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy , chiefly in the valley of the Dives , which the younger Roger inherited.

Life
Roger was one of William the Conqueror 's principal counsellors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury ; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.

Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eighths of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey , Hampshire , Wiltshire , Middlesex , Hertfordshire , Gloucestershire , Worcestershire , Cambridgeshire , Warwickshire and Staffordshire .

After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088 . However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine . By her he had 10 children:

Roger Montgomery 1066
Robert of Bellême 1052 c. 1130 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury
Hugh of Montgomery 1098 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury
Roger the Poitevin c. 1058
Philip 'the Grammarian' 1099 Died while on crusade at the Siege of Antioch
Arnulf of Montgomery c. 1068
Emma, abbess of Almenchêches
Matilda m. Robert, Count of Mortain
Mabel m. Hugh of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais
Sibyl m. Robert Fitzhamon

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset , by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury . After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.
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From http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/montgomery.htm :

Roger de Montgomery - was born in 1022, lived in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England . He was the son of Roger de Montgomery and Josceline de Ponteaudemer .
Roger married Mabel Talvas de Alencon in 1048 while living in Perche, France. Mabel was born about 1026, lived in Alencon, Eure, France. She was the daughter of William Talvas de Alencon II and Helie de Bourgogne. She died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures Castle .

Roger - Earl of Arundel & S

The symbol of advance into Wales was the castle which Earl Roger built at Montgomery, a typical motte and bailey, of which the earthworks still survive. To distinguish it from the later stone castle built at Montgomery by Hubert de Burgh, it came to be known as Hen Domen Castle- the old mound. It was a key point in the natural communication into mid-Wales, and beyond that westwards to Ceredigion. The gains which Earl Roger and his commanders made were compact and, with the exception of Arwystli, did not drive deeply into Wales, but they extended over a long stretch of the frontier.

'Oft on the mouldering Keep by night
Earl Roger takes his stand,
With the sword that shone at Hastings' fight,
Firm grasped in his red, right hand ! '

This is how an ancient poem begins about Roger de Montgomery who it was believed had fought alongside Duke William at Hastings. In fact Roger de Montgomery wasn't at the Battle of Hastings, but was left at home to look after Normandy for William while he was in England. He contributed greatly to the invasion force and was to be richly rewarded for his loyal services.

Earl Roger de Montgomery founded the Arundel Castle on Christmas Day 1067. It was after King William had held his Christmas Court at Gloucester and awarded Montgomery the Earldom, that he ordered him to build a castle on the Arun to protect the inland reaches. Roger de Montgomery was already an extremely powerful man in his native Normandy and had been a close friend of William's since William was a teenager as he was his cousin. He was present at the Council of Lillebonne in 1066, and agreed to contribute 60 ships to aid the invasion plans of England. He returned with William from Normandy in 1067 and he was summoned to attend Chrismas at Gloucester with the king where he was awarded his honours as one of William's most trusted men.

Earl Roger was succeeded at Arundel by his son, Robert, known as Robert de Belleme.

John Fitzalan of Clun, who had married Hugh de Albini's daughter Isobel, acquired the Castle and Honour of Arundel. The Fitzalan's were to hold the castle in an almost uninterrupted line until 1555 when Mary Fitzalan, last of the family, married Thomas, 4th Duke of Norfolk, thereby carrying Arundel into the Howard family where it remains to this day.

Children:
i. Robert de Belleme was born about 1039 in Perche, France and died in 1119 . See #4. below .
ii. Arnulph de Montgomery was born before 1074 in St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France. Arnulph married Lafracoth O'Brien. Lafracoth was born before 1076 in Pembrokeshire, Wales.
iii. Maude de Montgomery was born about 1041 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France and died in 1107 . Maude married Count Robert de Mortaigne before 1058. Count Robert was born about 1037 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France. He was the son of Harlevin de Conteville and Herleva de Falaise . He died on 8 Dec 1090 in France . See de Conteville family for children.
iv. Roger "The Poitevin" Montgomery was born about 1058, lived in March, Poitou, France and died after 1102 . See #5. below .
v. Sybyl de Montgomery was born about 1066, lived in St. Germain, Mntgm, Normandy, France. Sybyl married Robert Fitzhammon about 1084 while living in Normandie, France. Robert was born about 1070 in East Chester, England. He died on 10 Mar 1107 . 1 10 11 12 13


Arnulph de Montgomery and Lafracoth O'Brien




Husband Arnulph de Montgomery 12 15

           Born: Bef 1074 - Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, (Calvados), Normandy, (France)
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         Father: Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (Abt 1022-1094) 1 10 11 12 13
         Mother: Mabel Talvas (Abt 1026-1079) 1 14


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Wife Lafracoth O'Brien 12

           Born: Bef 1076 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
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1 F Alice de Montgomery 15

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         Spouse: Maurice FitzGerald Lord of Lanstephan, Wales (Abt 1100-1176) 16 17




Research Notes: Husband - Arnulph de Montgomery

From http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/montgomery.htm :

Arnulph de Montgomery was born before 1074 in St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France.
Arnulph married Lafracoth O'Brien. Lafracoth was born before 1076 in Pembrokeshire, Wales. 12 15


Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel Talvas




Husband Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury 1 10 11 12 13




            AKA: Roger de Monte Comerico, Roger de Montgomerie et Vicomté de Hiémois, Roger de Montgomerie 1st Ear of Shrewsbury, Roger "the Great" de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
           Born: Abt 1022 - Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, (Calvados), Normandy, (France)
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           Died: 27 Jul 1094 - Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
         Buried:  - Abbey of St Peter and St Paul, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England


         Father: Roger de Montgomerie (Abt 0985-      ) 1
         Mother: Josceline de Ponteaudemer (Abt 0989-      ) 1


       Marriage: 1048 - Perche, France

Events

• Earl of Shrewsbury: 1071-1094.




Wife Mabel Talvas 1 14

            AKA: Mabel d'Alençon, Mabel of Bellême, Mabel de Bellême Dame d'Alençon
           Born: Abt 1026 - Alençon, (Orne), Normandy, France
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           Died: 2 Dec 1079 - Château de Burres, (Eure), Normandy, France
         Buried: 5 Dec 1079 - Convent of Troam, (Eure), Normandy, France


         Father: William II Talvas Lord of Bellême and Alençon (Abt 0995-Abt 1070) 18 19 20
         Mother: Hildeburg (      -Bef 1034) 19 21




Children
1 M Roger "the Poitevin" Montgomery 1 22

            AKA: Roger de Poitou, Roger de Poitou
           Born: Abt 1058 - Normandy, France
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           Died: Between 1122 and 1140 - <La Marche, (France)>
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         Spouse: Almodis Countess of La Marche (Abt 1062-      ) 1
           Marr: Abt 1083 - Poitou, France



2 F Sybil Montgomery 1 23

            AKA: Sibyl de Montgomery
           Born: Abt 1066 - <St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy>, France
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         Spouse: Robert FitzHamon Sieur de Creully (Between 1045/1055-1107) 1 24 25



3 M Arnulph de Montgomery 12 15

           Born: Bef 1074 - Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, (Calvados), Normandy, (France)
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         Spouse: Lafracoth O'Brien (Bef 1076-      ) 12




Birth Notes: Husband - Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

May have been born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, though Normandy is more likely.


Research Notes: Husband - Roger de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

From http://cybergata.com/roots/409.htm :
~Schwennicke's ES 3:637-41. Before the conquest, Roger was known as "de Monte Comerico", which was anglicized to Montgomery.


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From Wikipedia - Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury :

Roger de Montgomerie, also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury . His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor , wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy . The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy , chiefly in the valley of the Dives , which the younger Roger inherited.

Life
Roger was one of William the Conqueror 's principal counsellors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury ; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.

Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eighths of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey , Hampshire , Wiltshire , Middlesex , Hertfordshire , Gloucestershire , Worcestershire , Cambridgeshire , Warwickshire and Staffordshire .

After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088 . However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine . By her he had 10 children:

Roger Montgomery 1066
Robert of Bellême 1052 c. 1130 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury
Hugh of Montgomery 1098 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury
Roger the Poitevin c. 1058
Philip 'the Grammarian' 1099 Died while on crusade at the Siege of Antioch
Arnulf of Montgomery c. 1068
Emma, abbess of Almenchêches
Matilda m. Robert, Count of Mortain
Mabel m. Hugh of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais
Sibyl m. Robert Fitzhamon

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset , by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury . After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.
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From http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/montgomery.htm :

Roger de Montgomery - was born in 1022, lived in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England . He was the son of Roger de Montgomery and Josceline de Ponteaudemer .
Roger married Mabel Talvas de Alencon in 1048 while living in Perche, France. Mabel was born about 1026, lived in Alencon, Eure, France. She was the daughter of William Talvas de Alencon II and Helie de Bourgogne. She died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures Castle .

Roger - Earl of Arundel & S

The symbol of advance into Wales was the castle which Earl Roger built at Montgomery, a typical motte and bailey, of which the earthworks still survive. To distinguish it from the later stone castle built at Montgomery by Hubert de Burgh, it came to be known as Hen Domen Castle- the old mound. It was a key point in the natural communication into mid-Wales, and beyond that westwards to Ceredigion. The gains which Earl Roger and his commanders made were compact and, with the exception of Arwystli, did not drive deeply into Wales, but they extended over a long stretch of the frontier.

'Oft on the mouldering Keep by night
Earl Roger takes his stand,
With the sword that shone at Hastings' fight,
Firm grasped in his red, right hand ! '

This is how an ancient poem begins about Roger de Montgomery who it was believed had fought alongside Duke William at Hastings. In fact Roger de Montgomery wasn't at the Battle of Hastings, but was left at home to look after Normandy for William while he was in England. He contributed greatly to the invasion force and was to be richly rewarded for his loyal services.

Earl Roger de Montgomery founded the Arundel Castle on Christmas Day 1067. It was after King William had held his Christmas Court at Gloucester and awarded Montgomery the Earldom, that he ordered him to build a castle on the Arun to protect the inland reaches. Roger de Montgomery was already an extremely powerful man in his native Normandy and had been a close friend of William's since William was a teenager as he was his cousin. He was present at the Council of Lillebonne in 1066, and agreed to contribute 60 ships to aid the invasion plans of England. He returned with William from Normandy in 1067 and he was summoned to attend Chrismas at Gloucester with the king where he was awarded his honours as one of William's most trusted men.

Earl Roger was succeeded at Arundel by his son, Robert, known as Robert de Belleme.

John Fitzalan of Clun, who had married Hugh de Albini's daughter Isobel, acquired the Castle and Honour of Arundel. The Fitzalan's were to hold the castle in an almost uninterrupted line until 1555 when Mary Fitzalan, last of the family, married Thomas, 4th Duke of Norfolk, thereby carrying Arundel into the Howard family where it remains to this day.

Children:
i. Robert de Belleme was born about 1039 in Perche, France and died in 1119 . See #4. below .
ii. Arnulph de Montgomery was born before 1074 in St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France. Arnulph married Lafracoth O'Brien. Lafracoth was born before 1076 in Pembrokeshire, Wales.
iii. Maude de Montgomery was born about 1041 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France and died in 1107 . Maude married Count Robert de Mortaigne before 1058. Count Robert was born about 1037 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France. He was the son of Harlevin de Conteville and Herleva de Falaise . He died on 8 Dec 1090 in France . See de Conteville family for children.
iv. Roger "The Poitevin" Montgomery was born about 1058, lived in March, Poitou, France and died after 1102 . See #5. below .
v. Sybyl de Montgomery was born about 1066, lived in St. Germain, Mntgm, Normandy, France. Sybyl married Robert Fitzhammon about 1084 while living in Normandie, France. Robert was born about 1070 in East Chester, England. He died on 10 Mar 1107 . 1 10 11 12 13


Death Notes: Wife - Mabel Talvas

Killed by Hugh Seigneur de la Roche Igé, of whom Mabel had deprived his castle on the night of 2 Dec 1082 in her chamber at Château de Bures, on the Dive near Troam, mutilating her with his sword. Here murder and his brothers left Normandy and were never caught.


Research Notes: Wife - Mabel Talvas

From http://cybergata.com/roots/428.htm :
Mabel, who married Roger de Montgomerie in 1048, was the daughter and heiress of William de Talvas, Cout of Bellême and Alençon. These lands became part of his lands in Normandy. Mabel was killed by Hugh Seigneur de la Roche Igé, of whom Mabel had deprived of his castle. On the night of 2 Dec 1082, Hugh entered her chamber at the Châtequ de Bures, on the Dive, near troarn, and killed her with his sword. Her mutilated body was buried three days after the convent of Troarn. Her murder and his brothers left Normandy, and were never caught by Mabel's sons who pursued them.
~A Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery, pg. 20 1 14


Research Notes: Child - Roger "the Poitevin" Montgomery

3rd son of Roger of Montgomery & Mabel of Bellême.

From Wikipedia - Roger the Poitevin :

Roger the Poitevin (Roger de Poitou) was born in Normandy , around the year 1058, and died between 1122 and 1140. He was an Anglo-Norman aristocrat, who possessed large holdings in both England and (in right of his wife) in France .

He was the third son of Roger of Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel of Bellême . The appellation "the Poitevin" was for his marriage to an heiress from Poitou (see below).

Around 1074 Roger acquired, probably through the influence of his father, a great lordship in England, with lands in Salfordshire , Essex , Suffolk , Nottinghamshire , Derbyshire , Lincolnshire and Hampshire . The principal part of the Lordship -- Salfordshire -- was in what was then called inter Mersam et Ripam, that is, "between the Mersey and the Ribble ", and is now part of Lancashire.

Also before 1086 he married Almodis, daughter of Count Aldebert II of La Marche in Poitou, and sister and presumptive heiress of count Boso III who was childless and unmarried.

Roger's lordship extends beyond the Ribble as far as Cumberland
Around 1091 Roger's brother-in-law Boso died, but Roger was apparently preoccupied with Norman and English affairs, and his wife's uncle Odo became count of La Marche.

In 1092 Roger acquired a large part of what is now north Lancashire. These grants gave Roger effective control of all the lands north of the River Ribble to the River Lune , which formed a natural border between the secure Norman lands in England and the strongly contested Scottish frontier lands in Cumberland . Due to long established lines of communication across Morecambe Bay , Roger also assumed authority over the regions of Furness and Cartmel ; these remained a part of Lancashire until as recently as 1974. The expansion of Roger's lands followed his support of King William II Rufus 's invasion of Cumbria in AD1092, where Dolfin of Dunbar probably ruled as a vassal of Scottish King Malcolm Canmore (Alternatively, after c. AD 1070 Dolfin may have seized and ruled Cumbria as an independent Lord with an ancestry that traced back to another Dolfin, son of Thorfinn, and the ancient Lords of Cumbria). Dolfin was driven out and the Anglo-Scottish border was established north of Carlisle . Roger also acquired the great honour of Eye centered in Suffolk .

1094 and after
Roger's father died in 1094, leaving his estates to Roger's elder brothers, and Roger now had to pick his own course in the complicated politics of late 11th century England and France. His first big choice came later in 1094, during the conflicts between William Rufus and Robert Curthose . Rufus had been generous to Roger and was his overlord in England, while Roger's elder brother Robert was loyal to Curthose.

Rufus sent Roger to hold the castle at Argentan in Normandy, but Roger quickly and without a fight surrendered it to Philip I of France , who was an ally of Curthose. Naturally he lost Rufus's trust and had little influence on the remaining four years of the reign.

Roger, along with his brothers, was a supporter of Curthose in his conflicts with Henry I of England during the early years of Henry's reign. After their failed rebellion of 1102, they lost their English holdings and were exiled.

Roger then went to his wife's holdings in Poitou. Almodis's uncle Odo was ousted as count of La Marche in 1104, and subsequently the sons of Roger and Almodis are styled as count. Roger himself appears not have had much influence in affairs there, and in 1109 he was permitted to return to England (Robert Curthose having in the interim been defeated and imprisoned), where he stayed for a while but did not recover his earlier holdings.

Offspring
The children of Roger and Almodis include:
Aldebert IV of La Marche
Boso IV of La Marche
Odo II of La Marche
Pontia of La Marche, who married Wulgrin II of Angoulême
Avice de Lancaster 1 22



Research Notes: Child - Sybil Montgomery

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008), line 63-26 (Hawise de Beaumont) 1 23


Research Notes: Child - Arnulph de Montgomery

From http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/montgomery.htm :

Arnulph de Montgomery was born before 1074 in St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France.
Arnulph married Lafracoth O'Brien. Lafracoth was born before 1076 in Pembrokeshire, Wales. 12 15


Thibault de Monthéry




Husband Thibault de Monthéry 1

           Born: Abt 983 - <Montlhéry, (Essonne), ÎIe-de-France>, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Bouchard de Montmorency (Abt 0957-      ) 1
         Mother: Elizabeth de Crécy (Abt 0961-      ) 1


       Marriage: 



Wife

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 M Guy de Montlhéry 1 26

            AKA: Guy de Montlhéry
           Born: Abt 1008 - <Courtenay, (Loiret)>, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Hodierne de Gometz (Abt 1014-      ) 1





Elijah Moore and Mary Jane Stanley




Husband Elijah Moore

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 



Wife Mary Jane Stanley

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 F Elizabeth Moore 27

           Born: 4 Apr 1844 - Arkansas, United States
     Christened: 
           Died: 1 Nov 1903 - Searcy, Arkansas, United States
         Buried:  - McMahan Cemetery, Snowball, Searcy, Arkansas, United States 28
         Spouse: Henry Thomas Seitz (1842-1904) 29 30 31 32
           Marr: 13 May 1883 - Searcy, Arkansas, United States 33



2 F Frances Moore

           Born: 18 Sep 1853
     Christened: 
           Died: 23 Mar 1922 - Searcy, Arkansas, United States
         Buried:  - McMahan Cemetery, Snowball, Searcy, Arkansas, United States 28
         Spouse: Stephen McMahan (      -      ) 28
         Spouse: Henry C. McEntire (1847-1925) 34




Burial Notes: Child - Elizabeth Moore

Elizabeth Seitz April 4, 1844 November 1, 1903
Daughter of Elijah Moore and Mary Jane Stanley
Wife of Henry Seitz


Research Notes: Child - Elizabeth Moore

From http://www.arfamilies.info/afcemsearcymcmahan.htm - McMahan Cemetery, Searcy County, Arkansas:

Henry Seitz May 5, 1842 September 5, 1904
Husband of Elizabeth Moore
Married May 13, 1883 Book B, page 191 Searcy County, Arkansas 27


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3 Wikipedia.org, Simon I de Montfort; Épernon.

4 Wikipedia.org, Waltheof, Earl of Northumbria.

5 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-25 (Robert de Beaumont), 63-25 (Robert de Beaumont).

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14 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/428.htm.

15 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 178-3 (Maurice FitzGerald).

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18 Website:, http://masseyfamgenealogy.tripod.com/a31.htm#i3139.

19 Wikipedia.org, William I Talvas.

20 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/429.htm.

21 Web - Message Boards, Discussion Groups, Email, Post by Scott Denison 28 July 2008 in the Massey Family Genealogy Forum (Genealogy.com).

22 Wikipedia.org, Roger the Poitevin.

23 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 63-26 (Hawise de Beaumont).

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26 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 138-24 (Ermengarde de Nevers).

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28 Website:, http://www.arfamilies.info/afcemsearcymcmahan.htm.

29 Fish, George Michael, Family Tree of George M. Fish and Jennifer L. Tatem.

30 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi, http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:af4124&id=I137.

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32 http://www.familysearch.org, "Ancestral File v4.19," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCZK-ZTG : accessed 4 September 2011), entry for Henry SEITZ.

33 Website:, http://www.arfamilies.info/afcemsearcymcmahan.htm
Married May 13, 1883 Book B, page 191 Searcy County, Arkansas
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34 www.findagrave.com, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=m&GSiman=1&GScid=1986756&GRid=9012174&.


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