Husband Thomas Nesbit Stinson 1
Born: 14 Apr 1818 - Maine, United States
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Died: 31 Oct 1882 - Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas, United States
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Marriage: 28 Nov 1850 - Kansas, United States 1
Wife Julia Ann Beauchmie 2 3 4
AKA: Julia Ann Boachman, Julia Ann Boshman, Mrs. Julia Ann Stinson
Born: 26 Mar 1834 - Shawnee reserve, (Johnson, ) Kansas, (United States)
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Died: 16 Jul 1925 - Kansas City, Wyandotte, Kansas, United States
Buried: - Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas, United States
Father: Rev. Mackinac John Beauchemie (Abt 1770-1848) 5 6 7
Mother: Mary Elizabeth Rogers (1798-Abt 1848) 8 9
Children
Birth Notes: Wife - Julia Ann Beauchmie
Was born on 26 Mar 1834 on the Shawnee reserve, (Johnson,) Kansas, (United States), according to Transactions of the Kansas State Historical Society, 1907-1908, Vol. X, edited by George W. Martin (Topeka, 1908), pp. 401-402. "....; Julia Ann, wife of the late Thomas Nesbit Stinson, born on the Shawnee reserve, Johnson county, March 26, 1834..."
According to a different source, she was born on 12 Mar 1834 in Wyandotte, Kansas, (United States).
Research Notes: Wife - Julia Ann Beauchmie
From Transactions of the Kansas State Historical Society, 1907-1908, Vol. X, edited by George W. Martin (Topeka, 1908), pp. 401-402:
"[Boachman's] wife was Polly Rogers, daughter of Henry Rogers and his wife, the daughter of Blackfish, chief of the Shawnees. She probably belonged to the small band of Shawnees which settled on the Meramec, near the leadmines, in Missouri, about the beginning of the last century [early 1800's]. Mrs. Boachman died a few weeks before her husband, at the old Pottawatomie mission, in the spring of 1848 or 1849. They had six children: Annie, the wife of the Rev. N. T. Shaler, who died before her parents; Washington, who died in youth; Alexander, whose allotment comprises the present Auburndale addition to the city of Topeka, supposed to be now a resident of Dowagiac, Mich.; Julia Ann, wife of the late Thomas Nesbit Stinson, born on the Shawnee reserve, Johnson county, March 26, 1834; William, who died near Fort Scott in the early '60's' and Martha, the youngest, the late Mrs. John Read, whose allotment adjoined Mrs. Stinson's, near Tecumseh, Shawnee county, Kansas. Some additional matter relating to Mr. Boachman's family will be found in the Kansas Historical Collections, volume 9, pages 170 and 212."
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Mary Cross (12 Apr 2000) on message board (http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.rogers/1099.1112/mb.ashx) cites Richard Pagburn's Indian Blood: Finding Your Native American Ancestor, Vol 1 (Louisville:Butler Books, 1993) when she writes [with some editing]:
"...Rogers[es] were captured in Virginia given up in 1762, at lancaster Pa. -Richard ,Esther, Jacob Rogers. See minutes of the Provential Council of Penna.When Gen. George Rogers Clark attacked the Shawnee Town of Piqua (Pickaway) in Aug of 1870,there were members of his family living among them.a nephew Joseph Rogers ran out ofthe village was shot by mistake. "Silverheels" was among those Shawnees who fled Piqua he reported to the British that Rogers was missing. Also Henry Rogers (a Shawnee),who had been adopted by Blackfish,but was living in another village.Henry Rogers halfbreed children included Lewis Rogers,William Rogers,Polly Rogers, Graham Rogers.Macinaw tribes Beauchemie [Bushman],an adopted Potawatomi,married Shawnee Polly Rogers daughter of Henry Rogers, son in law of Blackfish.Their children included Annie (who married N.T. Shaler) Julia Ann (who married Thomas Nesbit Stinson), Alexander, William, Martha Boshman.Lewis Rogers, a white Chief of a band of Shawnees and Delewares on the upper Meramec, appealed to Mewriwether Lewis for assistance after being threatened by Osage horse thieves.A Lewis Rogerswas head of household among the Cherokees in Arkansas in 1828. Graham rogers was a carpenter for the Shawnees.1851 was a time of dispute among Traditional Shawnee tribal Elders the white styled progressives,conservatives vs the liberals.Specifically the conservative traditionalists,including Blackhoof George Bluejacket the modernists included the Reverand Charles Bluejacket and Graham Rogers, whether the the Shawnee Council chief should be passed nephew to nephew in the old traditional way or else elected by popular vote of the entire tribe, white fashion. When Chief John perry died, he was suceeded by James Francis, son of his sister, the last traditional heredity Chief. In 1851 Joseph Parks was voted in as head Chief Graham Rogers as second Chief. When Joseph died,Graham Rogers became head chief.In 1860, Paschal Fish William Rogers were the principal chiefs of the Fish or Jackson Band of Shawnees with Charles Fish, Charles Tucker, George Doughtery,Charles Tooley, Jackson Rogers,subchiefs 7 councelors.Other marriages one being Lewis Rogers to Miria, Wm. Rogers to mary gillis,Wilson rogers to Polly samuels,all in 1843.then benjamin Rogers to Jane Luckett in 1844,Rachael rogers to Wm. Donaldson in 1842, Jane rogers to Issac Parish in 1848.Lewis Rogers spoke-exirted at parish church meeting in 1839,Wm. Rogers as a councellor, henry Rogers as a steward. Lewis Henry morgan, an ethnologist researching Shawnee customs, visited Graham Anna Rogers. Graham had married Anna Carpenter, a daughter of Kotsey (Koh-che-qua) Morgan said of her," she is a half breed,was educated at the Quaker Mission school, is in every respect,a bright,intelligent, even beautiful woman...their house is a fine one,well furnished neat as a pin..." The Shawnees furnished a company of men to the 13th regiment of the kansas militia during the Civil War, on the Union side. Graham Rogers was elected captain, Jackson rogers 1st lieutendant, Charles bluejacket 2nd lieutendant. After the war, Graham Rogers was then elected head Chief. the children of Graham Anna Carpenter Rogers included daughters Cenith Rachel sons Richard Stephen. Cary Rogers died in 1866 and left as heirs John Hat george Spybuck who were his grandfathers Mary Coon who was his cousin. Among the Cherokees who settled on the lands of the Cherokee nation by 1869,were Nancy B.,David,Sally,John H.,Aeenith,Rachel, Simpson,Eli, Serene,Samuel,Polly,Jackson,Soapqua,Henry, mary, Graham Rogers..In 1871 Graham Rogers was listed as "late principal chief of the Shawnee tribe" when 772 shawnees offically joined the Cherokees on the Cherokee Reserve lands.The agreement was signed by Charles Tucker as "late principal chief of the Shawnee tribe. by W.L.G.Miller as the Tribal secretary. On behalf of the Cherokees, it was signed by Lewis Downing,"principal chief of the Cherokee Nation." Among Shawnee guardianship cases reviewed by the Comissioner of Indian Affairs in 1871 were the cases of William, Jackson,Graham, Wilson Rogers. The wife of Wilson Rogers was" a cousin to Cornatzer`s wife." This should shed some insight into Rogers heritage!"
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From an email dated 9 May 2020, summarizing information provided by Julia Ann Stinson in Transactions of the Kansas State Historical Society, 1907-1908, Vol. X, edited by George W. Martin (Topeka, 1908), pp. 401-402.
I think Kentucky is the correct [birth]place [of Mary Elizabeth Rogers], at least reading these entries from documents in the Kansas Historical Society. See below:
My grandmother [Parlie Blackfish Rogers] said they came to where there were great barracks, where they stayed quite a while. Grandfather [Lewis Rogers] died in Missouri. Then my grandmother came to Kansas. She brought 20 slaves with her and $4000. They had sold their land in Ky and everything and brought the money with them. She loaned The Shawnee Manual Labor School. He returned the money when to her afterwards.
Another statement:
She said ..When the Shawnee left Kentucky to go to Ohio, my father Henry Rogers remained in Kentucky. He accumulated property and slaves. I remember four children Henry, William, Mary my mother [Mary Elizabeth Rogers Beauchemie] but they called her Polly, and Betsy. There were several others…
Julia said in her documents that her grandmother was with her mother when she was born. So we know that Parlie was alive in 1834. Also Julia relates a story about her grandmother coming to visit. I am assuming that Julia was at least 6 yrs old and that would place this about 1840. 6 10
Husband Fulk de Beaufo 11
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1 F Agatha de Beaufo 11
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Spouse: Robert de Aguillon (1175-After 1232) 12
Husband Richard Braunche 13
Born: Abt 1500 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
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Died: 11 Sep 1544 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
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Father: John Braunche (Abt 1488-Abt 1521) 14
Mother: Margaret Edwards ( - ) 15
Marriage: 1522 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Wife Elizabeth Beaufort 16 17
AKA: Elizabeth Beauforest
Born: Abt 1507 - Dorchester, Oxfordshire, England
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Died: 20 Jun 1556 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
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Father: Thomas Beaufort (Abt 1470- ) 18
Mother: Margaret Bassett (Abt 1470- ) 19
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1 M William Braunche 20
AKA: William Branch
Born: Abt 1530 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
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Died: Abt 7 Feb 1602 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
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Spouse: Katherine Jennings (Abt 1524-1597) 21 22
Marr: Abt 1556 - St. Helen's, Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Birth Notes: Wife - Elizabeth Beaufort
May have been born about 1500 in Cornwall, England.
Husband Thomas Stanley 1st Earl of Derby 23 24 25
Born: 1435
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Died: 29 Jul 1504 - Lathom (Latham), Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
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Father: Sir Thomas de Stanley K.G., 1st Baron Stanley, Lord Lt. of Ireland (1406-1459) 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
Mother: Joan Goushill (Abt 1402-After 1460) 29 31 33 34
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Other Spouse: Eleanor Neville (Bef 1447-Bef 1482) 31 35 - 1459
Events
• Battle: of Bosworth Field, 1485.
• Created: 1st Earl of Derby, 1485.
• Summoned: to Parliament, 1461.
• Made: Judge of Chester, 1472.
• Made: Constable of England for life, 1486.
Wife Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby 36
Born: 31 May <1443> - Bletsoe Castle, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England
Christened:
Died: 29 Jun 1509 - Deanery of Westminster Abbey
Buried: - Henry VII Lady Chapel, Westminster Abbey
Other Spouse: Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond (1430-1456) 37 - 1 Nov 1455
Children
Research Notes: Husband - Thomas Stanley 1st Earl of Derby
Stepfather to King Henry VII of England.
Wikipedia (Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby), Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby was a maternal ancestor of John Lennon.
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From http://stanleyroots.co.uk/thenorthwest.htm :
"Since 1200 the Stanleys had become important landowners and administrators in north-west England (especially Cheshire and Lancashire), and in 1485 the two brothers Sir Thomas Stanley and Sir William Stanley played a decisive role in winning the Battle of Bosworth for Henry Tudor and therefore in establishing the Tudor dynasty - a feat for which Thomas was created 1st Earl of Derby in 1485. Thereafter, the Earls of Derby were a prominent political force in north-west England for the next four centuries, with the 14th earl becoming Prime Minister three times, in 1852, 1858 and 1866...
"Sir Thomas was 2nd Baron Stanley (his father had been created 1st Baron in 1456), so he is also referred to as Lord Stanley before his creation as Earl of Derby in 1485.
"There had been earlier Earls of Derby (from other families) from 1138 to 1266 and 1337 to 1399, whose title was based on Derby in Derbyshire. Thomas Stanley's title in 1485 therefore had the ring of antiquity, but was based not on Derby but on West Derby, near to the family's estates at Lathom and Knowsley in Lancashire. Lathom House near Ormskirk (Lancashire)(SD4609) was the family's main residence from around 1400 until 1644, when it was largely destroyed by Sir Thomas Fairfax and his Parliamentary forces after a four-month siege during the English Civil War (the Stanleys of Lancashire were Royalists and had been holding out against the dominant Parliamentary forces)."
From Volume 11 of Manx Note Book - http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v11p101.htm
THOMAS II. AFTERWARDS THE FIRST EARL OF DERBY, ELDEST SON OF THOMAS I., BARON STANLEY, BY HIS WIFE JOAN, ONLY DAUGHTER AND HEIRESS OF SIR ROBERT GOUSHILL, succeeded his father in 1460. He was summoned to Parliament in the first year of Edward IV. (1461), and in 1472 he was made Judge of Chester. In the Civil war he did good service for the Yorkist cause, his most conspicuous feat being the taking of Berwick by assault. During the greater part of his reign he was steward of the Royal Household, and, having been one of Edward's most devoted adherents, he naturally transferred his allegiance to his son Edward the fifth. When Edward the fourth died, Richard Duke of Gloucester, who was plotting to supplant his nephew on the throne, saw that Stanley would be one of the chief obstacles in his way, and so he contrived to get rid of him by having him arrested on a charge of treason.
When, however, he had succeeded in ascending the throne, he decided that his best policy would be, if possible, to purchase Lord Stanley's allegiance, which he endeavoured to accomplish by making him Constable of England for life and conferring upon him the Order of the Garter. It is well known that this scheme failed and that Lord Stanley largely contributed to Richmond's success at the battle of Bosworth field, after which he is said to have placed the dead Richard's crown on his head,* and to have proclaimed him king as Henry VII. The new king shortly afterwards created him Earl of Derby, and constituted him one of the Lord's Commissioners for executing the office of Lord High Steward at his coronation. In 1486 he was made Constable of England for life. In 1487 he was one of the godfathers of Prince Arthur, Henry VII.'s eldest son.
He took a prominent part in arranging the treaty of Etaples between England and France in 1492. It would seem that he used his wealth nobly, both in relieving the burdens of his people and in promoting public works such as the bridges at Garstang and Warrington, for their welfare. He was the builder of Latham House which became famous through its defence by the 7th Earl's noble consort 150 years later.
Lord Stanley married, firstly, Eleanor 4th daughter of Richard Nevill, Earl of Salisbury, and sister to the Earl of Warwick, the famous " king-maker, " and secondly, Margaret, daughter of the Duke of Somerset and Dowager-Duchess of Richmond, who was King Henry VII.'s mother. By his first wife he had issue 6 sons and 4. daughters, by his second, there was no issue. He died in 1504. It does not appear that he ever visited the Isle of Man, and during his reign the Statute book is a blank.
*It is not certain whether the crown was placed on Henry's head by Lord Stanley or by his brother Sir William Stanley
Research Notes: Wife - Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby
From Wikipedia - Lady Margaret Beaufort : He was born either at Much Hadham Palace in Hertfordshire or at Hadham in Bedfordshire.
Died of the plague.
He was buried at Carmarthen Grey Friars after his death. After the dissolution of the monasteries in 1539, his remains were removed to the choir of St. David's Cathedral.
From Wikipedia - Lady Margaret Beaufort : Events
• Lord High Steward of England:
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• Lord High Steward of England:
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"Henry [VII] derived his claim to the English throne from his mother Margaret, and England did not bar women from inheriting the kingship, it is arguably she and not her son who should have claimed the crown. Margaret did not contest Henry's right to rule; however, she occasionally used the signature Margaret R, a form limited to queens regnant . (See discussion below.)
Margaret was twelve when she married Edmund on 1 November 1455 . Edmund died the following November, leaving a thirteen year old widow who was seven months pregnant with their child, Henry. Margaret and her son retired to Pembroke when the wars between Lancaster and York broke out and remained there until the Yorkist triumphs of 1461. The readeption of 1470 saw her return to court but her son fled to Brittany with his uncle, Jasper Tudor .[1]
Margaret was to marry twice more after Edmund's death:
She had no children with either, and it has been suggested by historians that the birth of her son Henry when she was only thirteen years old was difficult enough to render her infertile.
[edit ] The King's Mother
Margaret was instrumental in secretly conspiring against King Richard III with the Dowager Queen Consort, Elizabeth Woodville , whose sons, the Princes in the Tower , were presumed murdered. They were aided by the fact that Margaret's third husband, Thomas Stanley, had switched sides because Richard III held captive his eldest son, George Stanley (styled Lord Strange by marriage to the female holder of that hereditary lordship). George was Thomas Stanley's son by his first wife, Eleanor Neville, whose brother, Richard Neville was very active in the Wars of the Roses. Margaret was Thomas Stanley's second wife.
At the end of the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, it was Thomas Stanley who placed the crown on his stepson's - Henry VII's - head. Stanley was later made Earl of Derby, which made Margaret Countess of Derby, but she was styled "The Countess of Richmond and Derby."
With her son winning the crown at Bosworth Field, Margaret was now referred to in court as "My Lady the King's Mother." However, Margaret was reluctant to accept a lower status than the dowager queen consort Elizabeth Woodville or even her daughter-in-law, Elizabeth of York , the current queen consort . She wore robes of the same quality as the queen consort and walked only half a pace behind her.
Margaret sometimes signed herself Margaret R, the form of signature used by English queens regnant to indicate the title "Regina," the feminine form of "Rex." This referenced Margaret's own potential claim to the English throne, which would have had precedence over her son's claim, though she never asserted it. Had she successfully done so, she would have been a queen regnant - ruling in her own right, not through marriage - and entitled her to sign documents with the suffix "Regina." (See "Marriages" above for more on Margaret's own right to the English throne.)
Many historians believe the banishment of Woodville in 1487 by Henry VII of England was partly at the behest of his influential mother. Margaret was known for her education and her piety, and her son is said to have been devoted to her."
Husband Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond 37
AKA: Edmund of Hadham, Tudur Edmwnd
Born: 1430 - England
Christened:
Died: 3 Nov 1456 - Carmarthen Castle
Buried: - Carmarthen Grey Friars
Father: Sir Owen Meredith Tudor (Abt 1400-1461) 38
Mother: Catherine of Valois (1401-1437) 39
Marriage: 1 Nov 1455
Wife Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby 36
Born: 31 May <1443> - Bletsoe Castle, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England
Christened:
Died: 29 Jun 1509 - Deanery of Westminster Abbey
Buried: - Henry VII Lady Chapel, Westminster Abbey
Other Spouse: Thomas Stanley 1st Earl of Derby (1435-1504) 23 24 25
Children
1 M King Henry VII of England 40
AKA: King Henry Tudor VII, Harri Tudur VII, King of Englnd
Born: 28 Jan 1457 - Pembroke Castle, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Christened:
Died: 21 Apr 1509 - Richmond Palace
Buried: - Westminster Abbey, London, Midlesex, England
Spouse: Elizabeth of York (1466-1503) 41
Marr: 18 Jan 1486
Birth Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond
Death Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond
Burial Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond
Research Notes: Wife - Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby
"Henry [VII] derived his claim to the English throne from his mother Margaret, and England did not bar women from inheriting the kingship, it is arguably she and not her son who should have claimed the crown. Margaret did not contest Henry's right to rule; however, she occasionally used the signature Margaret R, a form limited to queens regnant . (See discussion below.)
Margaret was twelve when she married Edmund on 1 November 1455 . Edmund died the following November, leaving a thirteen year old widow who was seven months pregnant with their child, Henry. Margaret and her son retired to Pembroke when the wars between Lancaster and York broke out and remained there until the Yorkist triumphs of 1461. The readeption of 1470 saw her return to court but her son fled to Brittany with his uncle, Jasper Tudor .[1]
Margaret was to marry twice more after Edmund's death:
She had no children with either, and it has been suggested by historians that the birth of her son Henry when she was only thirteen years old was difficult enough to render her infertile.
[edit ] The King's Mother
Margaret was instrumental in secretly conspiring against King Richard III with the Dowager Queen Consort, Elizabeth Woodville , whose sons, the Princes in the Tower , were presumed murdered. They were aided by the fact that Margaret's third husband, Thomas Stanley, had switched sides because Richard III held captive his eldest son, George Stanley (styled Lord Strange by marriage to the female holder of that hereditary lordship). George was Thomas Stanley's son by his first wife, Eleanor Neville, whose brother, Richard Neville was very active in the Wars of the Roses. Margaret was Thomas Stanley's second wife.
At the end of the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, it was Thomas Stanley who placed the crown on his stepson's - Henry VII's - head. Stanley was later made Earl of Derby, which made Margaret Countess of Derby, but she was styled "The Countess of Richmond and Derby."
With her son winning the crown at Bosworth Field, Margaret was now referred to in court as "My Lady the King's Mother." However, Margaret was reluctant to accept a lower status than the dowager queen consort Elizabeth Woodville or even her daughter-in-law, Elizabeth of York , the current queen consort . She wore robes of the same quality as the queen consort and walked only half a pace behind her.
Margaret sometimes signed herself Margaret R, the form of signature used by English queens regnant to indicate the title "Regina," the feminine form of "Rex." This referenced Margaret's own potential claim to the English throne, which would have had precedence over her son's claim, though she never asserted it. Had she successfully done so, she would have been a queen regnant - ruling in her own right, not through marriage - and entitled her to sign documents with the suffix "Regina." (See "Marriages" above for more on Margaret's own right to the English throne.)
Many historians believe the banishment of Woodville in 1487 by Henry VII of England was partly at the behest of his influential mother. Margaret was known for her education and her piety, and her son is said to have been devoted to her."
Death Notes: Child - King Henry VII of England
Husband Hugh de Montfort 42
Born: Abt 1020 - <Montfort-sur-Risle, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
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Father: Hugh I de Montfort (Abt 0975- ) 42
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Wife Alice de Beaufou 42
AKA: Alice de Beauffou
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1 F Alice de Montfort 42
AKA: Alice de Morfort
Born: Abt 1050 - <Montfort-sur-Risle, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
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Spouse: Gilbert de Gaunt (Abt 1048-1094) 42
Marr: Abt 1071 - Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England
Husband John Wentworth of Elmshall, Yorkshire 43
Born: Abt 1370
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Father: John Wentworth of North Elmshall, Yorkshire (Abt 1345-After 1413) 43
Mother: Agnes Dronsfield of West Bretton, Yorkshire (Abt 1350- ) 43
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Wife < > Beaumont of Whitby Hall, Yorkshire 43
Born: Abt 1375
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1 M Roger Wentworth of Nettlestead, Suffolk 43
Born: Abt 1395
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Died: 24 Oct 1452 - Nettlestead, Suffolk, England
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Spouse: Margaret Despenser of Nettlestead, Suffolk (1397-1478) 43
Marr: Jun 1423 - Nettlestead, Suffolk, England
Husband Hugh de Grentemesnil Lord of Hinckley, Ashby-Legers, Northamptonshire 44 45
Born: Abt 1030 - <Grentemesnil, (Calvados)>, Normandy, France
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Died: 22 Feb 1094 - Leicestershire, England
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Father: Robert II de Grandmesnil (Abt 0990-1039) 44
Mother: Hawise d'Échauffour (Abt 1007- ) 44
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Wife Adelhyde de Beaumont 42 45
AKA: Adeliza de Beaumont, Alice de Beaumont
Born: Abt 1035 - Beaumont (Val-d'Oise), Île-de-France, France
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Died: 11 Jul 1091 - Rouen, (Seine-Inferieure), Normandy, France
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Father: Yves II Beaumont Count of Beaumont-sur-Oise (Abt 1005- ) 42
Mother: Judith ( - ) 42
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1 M Ives Grentemesnil 44
AKA: Ivo Grandmesnil
Born: Abt 1064 - <Grentemesnil, (Calvados)>, Normandy, France
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Died: 1118
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Spouse: Felia de Gaunt (Abt 1070- ) 42
Marr: Abt 1094 - Leicestershire, England
Husband Hugh de Grandmesnil 44 46 47
AKA: Hugh de Grentemaisnil, Hugh de Grentmesnil
Born: Abt 1092 - <Hinckley>, Leicestershire, England
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Father: Ives Grentemesnil (Abt 1064-1118) 44
Mother: Felia de Gaunt (Abt 1070- ) 42
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Wife Alice Beaumont 42
Born: Abt 1105 - <Hinckley>, Leicestershire, England
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Died: - <Reims, Marne, Champagne, France>
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Father: Ivo de Beaumont (Abt 1010- ) 42
Mother: Adele ( - ) 42
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1 F Petronilla de Grandmesnil 44 46 48
AKA: Pernelle de Grandmesnil, Petronella de Grentemaisnil, Petronille de Grentmesnil
Born: Abt 1134 - <Leicestershire>, England
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Died: 1 Apr 1212 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
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Spouse: Sir Robert de Beaumont 3rd Earl of Leicester (Abt 1121-1190) 48 49 50
Marr: Abt 1155
Husband John Le Strange 51
Born: 1409 - Norfolk, England
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Wife Alice Beaumont 51
Born: 1424 - Beaumont, Yorkshire, England
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1 M Thomas Le Strange 52
Born: 1451 - Hunstanton, Norfolk, England
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Spouse: Catherine de Vaux (Abt 1458- ) 51
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