The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families




Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond and Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby




Husband Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond 1

            AKA: Edmund of Hadham, Tudur Edmwnd
           Born: 1430 - England
     Christened: 
           Died: 3 Nov 1456 - Carmarthen Castle
         Buried:  - Carmarthen Grey Friars


         Father: Sir Owen Meredith Tudor (Abt 1400-1461) 2
         Mother: Catherine of Valois (1401-1437) 3


       Marriage: 1 Nov 1455



Wife Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby 4

           Born: 31 May <1443> - Bletsoe Castle, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 29 Jun 1509 - Deanery of Westminster Abbey
         Buried:  - Henry VII Lady Chapel, Westminster Abbey

   Other Spouse: Thomas Stanley 1st Earl of Derby (1435-1504) 5 6 7


Children
1 M King Henry VII of England 8

            AKA: King Henry Tudor VII, Harri Tudur VII, King of Englnd
           Born: 28 Jan 1457 - Pembroke Castle, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
     Christened: 
           Died: 21 Apr 1509 - Richmond Palace
         Buried:  - Westminster Abbey, London, Midlesex, England
         Spouse: Elizabeth of York (1466-1503) 9
           Marr: 18 Jan 1486




Birth Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond

He was born either at Much Hadham Palace in Hertfordshire or at Hadham in Bedfordshire.


Death Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond

Died of the plague.


Burial Notes: Husband - Edmund Tudor 1st Earl of Richmond

He was buried at Carmarthen Grey Friars after his death. After the dissolution of the monasteries in 1539, his remains were removed to the choir of St. David's Cathedral.


Research Notes: Wife - Margaret Beaufort Countess of Richmond and Derby

From Wikipedia - Lady Margaret Beaufort :

"Henry [VII] derived his claim to the English throne from his mother Margaret, and England did not bar women from inheriting the kingship, it is arguably she and not her son who should have claimed the crown. Margaret did not contest Henry's right to rule; however, she occasionally used the signature Margaret R, a form limited to queens regnant . (See discussion below.)

Margaret was twelve when she married Edmund on 1 November 1455 . Edmund died the following November, leaving a thirteen year old widow who was seven months pregnant with their child, Henry. Margaret and her son retired to Pembroke when the wars between Lancaster and York broke out and remained there until the Yorkist triumphs of 1461. The readeption of 1470 saw her return to court but her son fled to Brittany with his uncle, Jasper Tudor .[1]

Margaret was to marry twice more after Edmund's death:
Sir Henry Stafford (c. 1447 - 4 October 1471), the son of Humphrey Stafford , 6th Earl of Stafford , 1st Duke of Buckingham

Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby
She had no children with either, and it has been suggested by historians that the birth of her son Henry when she was only thirteen years old was difficult enough to render her infertile.

[edit ] The King's Mother
Margaret was instrumental in secretly conspiring against King Richard III with the Dowager Queen Consort, Elizabeth Woodville , whose sons, the Princes in the Tower , were presumed murdered. They were aided by the fact that Margaret's third husband, Thomas Stanley, had switched sides because Richard III held captive his eldest son, George Stanley (styled Lord Strange by marriage to the female holder of that hereditary lordship). George was Thomas Stanley's son by his first wife, Eleanor Neville, whose brother, Richard Neville was very active in the Wars of the Roses. Margaret was Thomas Stanley's second wife.

At the end of the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, it was Thomas Stanley who placed the crown on his stepson's - Henry VII's - head. Stanley was later made Earl of Derby, which made Margaret Countess of Derby, but she was styled "The Countess of Richmond and Derby."

With her son winning the crown at Bosworth Field, Margaret was now referred to in court as "My Lady the King's Mother." However, Margaret was reluctant to accept a lower status than the dowager queen consort Elizabeth Woodville or even her daughter-in-law, Elizabeth of York , the current queen consort . She wore robes of the same quality as the queen consort and walked only half a pace behind her.

Margaret sometimes signed herself Margaret R, the form of signature used by English queens regnant to indicate the title "Regina," the feminine form of "Rex." This referenced Margaret's own potential claim to the English throne, which would have had precedence over her son's claim, though she never asserted it. Had she successfully done so, she would have been a queen regnant - ruling in her own right, not through marriage - and entitled her to sign documents with the suffix "Regina." (See "Marriages" above for more on Margaret's own right to the English throne.)

Many historians believe the banishment of Woodville in 1487 by Henry VII of England was partly at the behest of his influential mother. Margaret was known for her education and her piety, and her son is said to have been devoted to her." 4


Death Notes: Child - King Henry VII of England

Died of tuberculosis.


Hugh de Montfort and Alice de Beaufou




Husband Hugh de Montfort 10

           Born: Abt 1020 - <Montfort-sur-Risle, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Hugh I de Montfort (Abt 0975-      ) 10
         Mother: 


       Marriage: 



Wife Alice de Beaufou 10

            AKA: Alice de Beauffou
           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 F Alice de Montfort 10

            AKA: Alice de Morfort
           Born: Abt 1050 - <Montfort-sur-Risle, (Eure)>, Normandy, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Gilbert de Gaunt (Abt 1048-1094) 10
           Marr: Abt 1071 - Folkingham, Lincolnshire, England





John Wentworth of Elmshall, Yorkshire and < > Beaumont of Whitby Hall, Yorkshire




Husband John Wentworth of Elmshall, Yorkshire 10

           Born: Abt 1370
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: John Wentworth of North Elmshall, Yorkshire (Abt 1345-After 1413) 10
         Mother: Agnes Dronsfield of West Bretton, Yorkshire (Abt 1350-      ) 10


       Marriage: 



Wife < > Beaumont of Whitby Hall, Yorkshire 10

           Born: Abt 1375
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 M Roger Wentworth of Nettlestead, Suffolk 10

           Born: Abt 1395
     Christened: 
           Died: 24 Oct 1452 - Nettlestead, Suffolk, England
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Margaret Despenser of Nettlestead, Suffolk (1397-1478) 10
           Marr: Jun 1423 - Nettlestead, Suffolk, England




Research Notes: Child - Roger Wentworth of Nettlestead, Suffolk

First husband of Margaret Despenser 10


Hugh de Grentemesnil Lord of Hinckley, Ashby-Legers, Northamptonshire and Adelhyde de Beaumont




Husband Hugh de Grentemesnil Lord of Hinckley, Ashby-Legers, Northamptonshire 10 11

           Born: Abt 1030 - <Grentemesnil, (Calvados)>, Normandy, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 22 Feb 1094 - Leicestershire, England
         Buried: 


         Father: Robert II de Grandmesnil (Abt 0990-1039) 10
         Mother: Hawise d'Échauffour (Abt 1007-      ) 10


       Marriage: 

Events

• Lord High Steward of England:




Wife Adelhyde de Beaumont 10 11

            AKA: Adeliza de Beaumont, Alice de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 1035 - Beaumont (Val-d'Oise), Île-de-France, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 11 Jul 1091 - Rouen, (Seine-Inferieure), Normandy, France
         Buried: 


         Father: Yves II Beaumont Count of Beaumont-sur-Oise (Abt 1005-      ) 10
         Mother: Judith (      -      ) 10




Children
1 M Ives Grentemesnil 10

            AKA: Ivo Grandmesnil
           Born: Abt 1064 - <Grentemesnil, (Calvados)>, Normandy, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 1118
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Felia de Gaunt (Abt 1070-      ) 10
           Marr: Abt 1094 - Leicestershire, England





Hugh de Grandmesnil and Alice Beaumont




Husband Hugh de Grandmesnil 10 12 13

            AKA: Hugh de Grentemaisnil, Hugh de Grentmesnil
           Born: Abt 1092 - <Hinckley>, Leicestershire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Ives Grentemesnil (Abt 1064-1118) 10
         Mother: Felia de Gaunt (Abt 1070-      ) 10


       Marriage: 

Events

• Lord High Steward of England:




Wife Alice Beaumont 10

           Born: Abt 1105 - <Hinckley>, Leicestershire, England
     Christened: 
           Died:  - <Reims, Marne, Champagne, France>
         Buried: 


         Father: Ivo de Beaumont (Abt 1010-      ) 10
         Mother: Adele (      -      ) 10




Children
1 F Petronilla de Grandmesnil 10 12 14

            AKA: Pernelle de Grandmesnil, Petronella de Grentemaisnil, Petronille de Grentmesnil
           Born: Abt 1134 - <Leicestershire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 1 Apr 1212 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Sir Robert de Beaumont 3rd Earl of Leicester (Abt 1121-1190) 10 14 15
           Marr: Abt 1155




Research Notes: Child - Petronilla de Grandmesnil

Source: Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester 10 12 14


John Le Strange and Alice Beaumont




Husband John Le Strange 16

           Born: 1409 - Norfolk, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 



Wife Alice Beaumont 16

           Born: 1424 - Beaumont, Yorkshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 M Thomas Le Strange 17

           Born: 1451 - Hunstanton, Norfolk, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Catherine de Vaux (Abt 1458-      ) 16





William Mauduit Lord of Hanslope & Hartley Mauduit, Bucks. and Alice de Beaumont




Husband William Mauduit Lord of Hanslope & Hartley Mauduit, Bucks. 18

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: Apr 1257
         Buried: 


         Father: Robert Mauduit Lord of Hanslope, Bucks. (      -1222) 18
         Mother: Isabel Basset (      -      ) 18


       Marriage: 

Events

• Chamberlain of the Exchequer:




Wife Alice de Beaumont 19

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: Between 1246 and 1263
         Buried: 


         Father: Waleran de Beaumont 4th Earl of Warwick (Bef 1153-1204) 20 21
         Mother: Alice de Harcourt (      -After 1212) 22




Children
1 F Isabel Mauduit 23 24 25

           Born: Abt 1214
     Christened: 
           Died: Bef 1268
         Buried:  - Nunnery of Cokehill, Worcestershire, England
         Spouse: William de Beauchamp 5th Baron Beauchamp (Abt 1210-1269) 24 26 27



2 M William Mauduit 8th Earl of Warwick 25

           Born: Abt 1220
     Christened: 
           Died: 8 Jan 1267
         Buried: 




Research Notes: Child - Isabel Mauduit

From William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick :
His father was William de Beauchamp of Elmley Castle , his mother, Isabel Mauduit, sister and heiress of William Mauduit, 8th Earl of Warwick .
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From William Maudit, 8th Earl of Warwick :
He was the son of Alice de Beaumont (daughter of the 4th Earl) and William de Maudit, and so was the grandson of Waleran de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Warwick . His father was the lord of Hanslape and hereditary chamberlain of the exchequer, a title that went back to another William Maudit who held that office for Henry I .
He died without issue and the estates then passed to his sister Isabel de Maudit who had married William de Beauchamp. She died shortly after Warwick's death and the title passed to their son William . 23 24 25


Research Notes: Child - William Mauduit 8th Earl of Warwick

From Wikipedia - William Maudit, 8th Earl of Warwick :

William Maudit (or Mauduit), 8th Earl of Warwick (abt 1220 - 8 January 1267 ), was an English nobleman and participant in the Barons' War .

He was the son of Alice de Beaumont (daughter of the 4th Earl) and William de Maudit, and so was the grandson of Waleran de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Warwick . His father was the lord of Hanslape and hereditary chamberlain of the exchequer, a title that went back to another William Maudit who held that office for Henry I .

He adhered to Henry III in the wars with the barons . He was surprised in his own castle, Warwick Castle by John Giffard , the governor of Kenilworth Castle . The walls of the castle were destroyed and the countess taken prisoner to Kenilworth, and only released on payment of a ransom nineteen hundred marks.

William Mauduit made the castle in the corner of Portchester Castle (Portus Adurni) for an unknown reason. This was made in 1090 and is a Norman Castle and had palisades on each side of the castle.

He died without issue and the estates then passed to his sister Isabel de Maudit who had married William de Beauchamp. She died shortly after Warwick's death and the title passed to their son William . 25


Arnulf de Beaumont




Husband Arnulf de Beaumont 28

            AKA: Rodulf de Beaumont Vicomte de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 950
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Berthold I von Babenberg (Abt 0915-      )
         Mother: 


       Marriage: 



Wife

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 F Hildegarde de Beaumont 28

            AKA: Bildeburge de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 1002
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: William II Talvas Lord of Bellême and Alençon (Abt 0995-Abt 1070) 28 29 30
           Marr: Bef 1034




Research Notes: Child - Hildegarde de Beaumont

Second wife of William I Talvas.

Wikipedia shows her father as Rodulf the vicomte of Beaumont.

From Wikipedia - William I Talvas:
[William's] reputation was that of a wicked man, "in all things worse than his brothers, and his wickedness has flourished to this day among his heirs." He was married to Hildeburg, who was the mother of his son Arnulf and daughter Mabel . But his marriage was unsatisfying and he had his wife murdered on her way to church. He soon married the daughter of Rodulf the vicomte of Beaumont. 28


Roger de Toeni and Constance de Beaumont




Husband Roger de Toeni 10

           Born: Abt 1156 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt Jan 1209
         Buried: 


         Father: Ralph de Toeni de Conches (Abt 1130-1162) 10
         Mother: 


       Marriage: 



Wife Constance de Beaumont 10

           Born: Abt 1202 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: After 1226
         Buried: 


         Father: Richard de Beaumont (Abt 1176-      ) 10
         Mother: 




Children
1 M Ralph de Toeni 10

           Born: Abt 1190 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 29 Sep 1239
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Petronilla de Lacy (Abt 1195-After 1288) 10
           Marr: Bef 1234




Death Notes: Child - Ralph de Toeni

Died at sea.


Hamon II Massey and Eleanor Beaumont




Husband Hamon II Massey 31

           Born: Abt 1100 - Cheadle, Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 1140 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
         Buried: 


         Father: Hamon de Massey 1st Baron de Dunham (Bef 1056-1101) 10 32 33 34 35 36 37
         Mother: Margaret Sacie (Abt 1077-      )


       Marriage: Abt 1124 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England



Wife Eleanor Beaumont

           Born: Abt 1100 - Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


Children
1 M John Massey

           Born: Abt 1127 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



2 M Hamon III Massey 38 39

            AKA: Hamo de Masci [III]
           Born: Abt 1129 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 1216 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Agatha de Theray (      -      ) 40



3 M Robert Massey

           Born: Abt 1130 - Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 




Research Notes: Husband - Hamon II Massey

From A History of Altrincham and Bowdon, p. 9:

"The second Hamon had issue Hamon, a son and heir, and Robert Massey, from whom sprang the Masseys of Sale. This is probably the Hamon Massey who is noticed in one of the ancient chronicles as having held the Castle of Dunham against Henry II. in 1173, during the rebellion of which Hugh Earl of Chester was principal leader. He gave the lands of Bramhall, or Bromale, to Matthew de Bromale by charter..." 31


Research Notes: Wife - Eleanor Beaumont

FamilySearch? Rootsweb? AFN: 18GS-7K2


Research Notes: Child - John Massey

From History of Altrincham and Bowdon, p. 10:
"[The third Hamon] is said to have given to his brother John Massey all the land of Moreton."


Death Notes: Child - Hamon III Massey

Per History of Altrincham and Bowdon, p. 10, "He died about the end of the reign of King John, or the beginning of that of Henry III., and his wife Agatha survived him."


Research Notes: Child - Hamon III Massey

From http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/history.html:
BRAMHALL (Maccles.) The third baron of Dunham (in Henry II = 1154-89) confirmed to Mathew de Bromale: "the manors of Bramall, Duckenfield and 11 parts of Baggiley which had been previoulsy held by his father, whose name is not mentioned but who was probably youunger son of near kinsman of Hamo deMasci, the Norman Grantee". (Ormerod p 823). Then, in 6 Edwd I (=1272-1307) "Richard de Bromhall obtained release (ie. exemption) for himself and his tenants in Bromhall, Duckenfield and 11 parts of Baguley (sic) from Hamon de Massey, for being impleaded in the courts of Dunham. 38 39


Sources


1 Wikipedia.org, "Edmund Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Tudor,_1st_Earl_of_Richmond.

2 Wikipedia.org, "Owen Tudor," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Tudor.

3 Wikipedia.org, "Catherine of Valois," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Valois.

4 Wikipedia.org, "Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond and Derby," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Beaufort,_Countess_of_Richmond_and_Derby.

5 Wikipedia.org, Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby.

6 Glenn, Thomas Allen, ed, Reifsnyder-Gillam Ancestry. (Philadelphia: (Privately Printed), 1902.), p. 53.

7 Website:, http://stanleyroots.co.uk/thenorthwest.htm.

8 Wikipedia.org, "Henry VII of England" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England.

9 Wikipedia.org, "Elizabeth of York" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_York.

10 http://www.familysearch.org.

11 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 77.

12 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-26 (Sir Robert de Beaumont).

13 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 121.

14 Wikipedia.org, Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.

15 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-26.

16 Ancestry.com, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/29106850/family?cfpid=12983635816.

17 Ancestry.com, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/29106850/family?cfpid=12982882958.

18 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 84-27 (Alice de Beaumont).

19 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 84-27.

20 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 84-26.

21 Wikipedia.org, Waleran de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Warwick.

22 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 84-26 (Waleran de Beauont).

23 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 84-28, 84A-28, 197-28.

24 Wikipedia.org, William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick.

25 Wikipedia.org, William Maudit, 8th Earl of Warwick.

26 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Lines 84-28, 197-28 (Isabel Mauduit).

27 Wikipedia.org, John FitzGeoffrey.

28 Wikipedia.org, William I Talvas.

29 Website:, http://masseyfamgenealogy.tripod.com/a31.htm#i3139.

30 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/429.htm.

31 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #263526 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

32 Wikipedia.org, Hamon de Massey.

33 Wikipedia.org, Dunham Massey.

34 Website:, Descendants of William De Belleme - http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/n/e/Herman-W-Snell/TREE/0003tree.html.

35 Website - Genealogy, genealogy.com (Snell).

36 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #263527 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

37 Web - Message Boards, Discussion Groups, Email, Post by Scott Denison 28 July 2008 in the Massey Family Genealogy Forum (Genealogy.com).

38 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #263525 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

39 Ingham, Alfred, A History of Altrincham and Bowdon (Altrincham: Mackie, Brewtnall and Co., 1879), pp. 10-11.

40 Ingham, Alfred, A History of Altrincham and Bowdon (Altrincham: Mackie, Brewtnall and Co., 1879), p. 10.


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