The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families

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The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families

Dwg ap Llywarch

Husband Dwg ap Llywarch ¹
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 Father: Llywarch ap Elidir (Cir 0484-      ) ²
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1 M Gwair ap Dwg ³
 Born: Cir 555
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Einion ap Llywarch ap Rhys

Husband Einion ap Llywarch ap Rhys ⁴
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 Father: Llywarch ap Rhys ap Aeddan Lord of Grismwnt (      -      ) ⁴
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1 M Ievan ap Einion of Llanfendigaid ⁴
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Gruffudd ap Llywelyn and Efa verch Madog

Husband Gruffudd ap Llywelyn
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 Died: 1399
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Wife Efa verch Madog
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1 F Angharad ferch Gruffudd
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 Spouse: Dafydd ap Gronwy of Llai (      -      )
Research Notes: Husband - Gruffudd ap Llywelyn

RootsWeb - Celtic Royal Genealogy
Research Notes: Wife - Efa verch Madog

RootsWeb - Celtic Royal Genealogy

Thomas ap Llywelyn ap Owain of Iscoed Uch Hirwen, Cardiganshire and Eleanor ferch Philip ap Ifor

Husband Thomas ap Llywelyn ap Owain of Iscoed Uch Hirwen, Cardiganshire ⁵ ⁶
 AKA: Thomas ap Llewellyn ap Owain of Iscoed Uch Hirwen, Cardiganshire, Thomas ap Llewellyn Owen of Trefgarned, Lord of South Wales, Thomas ap Llywelyn Arglwydd Iscoed
 Born: Bef 14 Aug 1343
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 Died: - Iscoed Uch Hirwen, Cardiganshire, Wales
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 Father: Llywelyn ap Owain ap Maredudd (      -1309)
 Mother: < > de Vale (      -      ) ⁷
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Wife Eleanor ferch Philip ap Ifor
 AKA: Eleanor Goch verch Philip
 Born: 1318
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 Father: Philip ap Ifor Lord of Is Coed (      -      )
 Mother: Catherine verch Llewellyn Gryffyth (      -      )
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1 F Elen verch Thomas ap Llewellyn Owen
 AKA: Eleanor Llwellyn, Elen Llwellyn, Ellen verch Thomas ap Llewellin, Eleanor verch Thomas ap Llewellyn Owen, Helen verch Thomas ap Llwellyn
 Born: Abt 1337
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 Spouse: Gruffydd Fychan II ap Gruffydd ap Madog of Rhuddallt, Baron of Glyndyfrdwy (Bef 1330-1369)
2 F Margaret verch Thomas ap Llywelyn Owain ⁸
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Research Notes: Husband - Thomas ap Llywelyn ap Owain of Iscoed Uch Hirwen, Cardiganshire

From Wikipedia - Gruffydd Fychan II :

"Gruffydd Fychan II was married to Elen, daughter of Thomas ap Llwelyn lord of half the of commote Iscoed Uch Hirwen and of quarter of Gwynonydd , both in Cardiganshire."

Research Notes: Wife - Eleanor ferch Philip ap Ifor

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 2008)., Line 254-33 (Thomas ap Llewellyn)

RootsWeb - Celtic Royal Genealogy - has b. 1318.

Rhirid ap Llywelyn ap Owain ap Edwyn

Husband Rhirid ap Llywelyn ap Owain ap Edwyn
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1 M Madog Ddû ap Rhirid ap Llywelyn
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Research Notes: Husband - Rhirid ap Llywelyn ap Owain ap Edwyn

Source: The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd by J. Y. W. Lloyd, Vol. IV (London, 1884), p. 341

David ap Philip Hanmer and Angharad verch Llywelyn Ddu

Husband David ap Philip Hanmer
 Born: Abt 1328
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 Died: After 1383
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 Father: Philip Hanmer (      -      )
 Mother: Annes verch Dafydd (      -      )
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Wife Angharad verch Llywelyn Ddu
 Born: Abt 1332
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 Father: Llywelyn Ddu "the Black" ap Gruffydd (Abt 1300-      )
 Mother: Margred verch Madog Fychan (      -      )
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1 M Gruffydd Hanmer Esq., of Hanmer, Flintshire
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 Spouse: Angharad verch Tudur (      -      )
Research Notes: Husband - David ap Philip Hanmer

RootsWeb - Celtic Royal Genealogy
Research Notes: Wife - Angharad verch Llywelyn Ddu

RootsWeb - Celtic Royal Genealogy

Maelgwn Fychan ap Maelgwn ap Rhys Lord of Cardigan Is Ayron and Angharad ferch Llywelyn Fawr

Husband Maelgwn Fychan ap Maelgwn ap Rhys Lord of Cardigan Is Ayron
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 Father: Maelgwn ap Rhys (      -      )
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Wife Angharad ferch Llywelyn Fawr ⁹ ¹⁰
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 Father: Llywelyn the Great Prince of Gwynedd (Abt 1173-1240)
 Mother: Tangwystl verch Llywarch (Abt 1168-      ) ¹¹ ¹² ¹³
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1 F Elen ferch Maelgwn Fychan
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 Spouse: Maredudd ap Owain ap Gruffudd Lord of Cardigan Uch Ayron (      -1265)
Research Notes: Husband - Maelgwn Fychan ap Maelgwn ap Rhys Lord of Cardigan Is Ayron

Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, ed. by William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, Baltimore, 2008, Line 254-29 (Angharad)
Research Notes: Wife - Angharad ferch Llywelyn Fawr

From Ancestral Roots, Line 254-29 (Angharad) has her mother as Joan, natural daughter of King John, who married Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales.

Her mother may have been Tangwystl Goch.

From Wikipedia - Llywelyn the Great:

"During Llywelyn's boyhood Gwynedd was ruled by two of his uncles, who had agreed to split the kingdom between them following the death of Llywelyn's grandfather, Owain Gwynedd , in 1170. Llywelyn had a strong claim to be the legitimate ruler and began a campaign to win power at an early age. He was sole ruler of Gwynedd by 1200, and made a treaty with King John of England the same year. Llywelyn's relations with John remained good for the next ten years. He married John's illegitimate daughter Joan , also known as Joanna, in 1205, and when John arrested Gwenwynwyn ab Owain of Powys in 1208 Llywelyn took the opportunity to annex southern Powys. In 1210 relations deteriorated and John invaded Gwynedd in 1211. Llywelyn was forced to seek terms and to give up all his lands east of the River Conwy, but was able to recover these lands the following year in alliance with the other Welsh princes. He allied himself with the barons who forced John to sign Magna Carta in 1215. By 1216 he was the dominant power in Wales, holding a council at Aberdyfi that year to apportion lands to the other princes...

Children
The identity of the mother of some of Llywelyn's children is uncertain. He was survived by nine children, two legitimate, one probably legitimate and six illegitimate. Elen ferch Llywelyn (c.1207-1253), his only certainly legitimate daughter, first married John de Scotia, Earl of Chester. This marriage was childless, and after John's death Elen married Sir Robert de Quincy , the brother of Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester . Llywelyn's only legitimate son, Dafydd ap Llywelyn (c.1208-1246), married Isabella de Braose, daughter of William de Braose, 10th Baron Abergavenny , Lord of Abergavenny. William was the son of Reginald de Braose , who married another of Llywelyn's daughters. Dafydd and Isabella may have had one child together, Helen of Wales (1246-1295), but the marriage failed to produce a male heir.
Another daughter, Gwladus Ddu (c.1206-1251), was probably legitimate. Adam of Usk states that she was a legitimate daughter by Joan, although some sources claim that her mother was Llywelyn's mistress, Tangwystl Goch.[64] She first married Reginald de Braose of Brecon and Abergavenny, but had no children by him. After Reginald's death she married Ralph de Mortimer of Wigmore and had several sons.

The mother of most of Llywelyn's illegitimate children is known or assumed to have been Llywelyn's mistress, Tangwystl Goch (c.1168-1198). Gruffydd ap Llywelyn (c.1196-1244) was Llywelyn's eldest son and is known to be the son of Tangwystl. He married Senena, daughter of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey . Their four sons included Llywelyn ap Gruffydd , who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death. Llywelyn had another son, Tegwared ap Llywelyn, by a woman known only as Crysten.
Marared ferch Llywelyn (c.1198-after 1263) married John de Braose of Gower, a nephew of Reginald de Braose, and after his death married Walter Clifford of Bronllys and Clifford. Other illegitimate daughters were Gwenllian ferch Llywelyn, who married William de Lacey, and Angharad ferch Llywelyn, who married Maelgwn Fychan. Susanna ferch Llywelyn was sent to England as a hostage in 1228, but no further details are known."

Robert II de Quincy and Elen ferch Llywelyn Fawr

Husband Robert II de Quincy ¹⁴ ¹⁵
 AKA: Robert de Quincey, Robert the Younger de Quincey
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 Died: 1257 - <Palestine>
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 Father: Saher IV de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester (1155-1219) ¹⁶ ¹⁷
 Mother: Margaret de Beaumont (Abt 1156-Abt 1235) ¹⁸ ¹⁹ ²⁰
 Marriage: After 1237
 Other Spouse: Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln (1180-Between 1241/1243) ²¹ ²²
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Wife Elen ferch Llywelyn Fawr ¹⁷ ²³
 AKA: Helene, Elen verch Llywelyn, Helen verch Llywelyn
 Born: Abt 1207
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 Died: 1253
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 Father: Llywelyn the Great Prince of Gwynedd (Abt 1173-1240)
 Mother: Joan Princess of Gwynedd (Bef 1200-Between 1236/1237) ²⁴ ²⁵ ²⁶
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Research Notes: Husband - Robert II de Quincy

Second son named Robert.

From Wikipedia - Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester :

Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; d. 1257) who married Helen , daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great ;

"Robert (d. 1217). Some sources say he married Hawise, sister and co-heiress of Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester . However, it is more likely Hawise married Saer's brother Robert II;"
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Ancestral Roots, Line 54-28 (Robert II de Quincy), has "d.v.p. bef. 1232,... m. Hawise of Chester (125-29), b. 1180, d. 1241/3, Countess of Lincoln." The "d.v.p. bef. 1232 makes him appear to be the first Robert.

Research Notes: Wife - Elen ferch Llywelyn Fawr

If Robert II de Quincy was the husband of Hawise of Chester, Elen was his second wife. Magna Charta Barons lists only Elen and has her as the mother of his 3 daughters. Magna Charta Barons is not a reliable source.

From Wikipedia - Elen ferch Llywelyn :

Elen ferch Llywelyn (c. 1206 - 1253) was the daughter of Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd in north Wales .

The records of Llywelyn's family are confusing, and it is not certain which of his children were illegitimate, but Elen appears to have been his legitimate daughter by Joan , illegitimate daughter of King John of England .

Elen married John de Scotia, Earl of Chester , in about 1222. He died aged thirty in 1237, and she re-married, her second husband being Sir Robert de Quincy . Their daughter, Hawise , was married to Baldwin Wake , Lord Wake of Lidel. Hawise and Baldwin's granddaughter, Margaret Wake , was the mother of Joan of Kent , later Princess of Wales. Thus the blood of Llywelyn Fawr passed into the English royal family through King Richard II .

There is also a record of a "Helen" daughter of "Llywelyn of Wales" who married Mormaer Maol Choluim II, Earl of Fife and later married Domhnall I, Earl of Mar . The dates appear to rule out this being Elen, since Maol Chaluim II did not die until 1266 while Elen's death is recorded in 1253. Some genealogists propose the existence of another Elen, an illegitimate daughter born towards the end of Llywelyn's life, but there is no clear evidence for this. Another possibility is that this Helen might have been an illegitimate daughter of Llywelyn the Last born when he was a young man, but there is also no evidence of the theory being true. More likely this lady was Susannah ferch Llywelyn ab Iorwerth , who was sent to England in 1228 and married the earl of Fife in the summer of 1237.[1]

Garnier de Lochar Seigneur Villandry et la Haie

Husband Garnier de Lochar Seigneur Villandry et la Haie ²⁷
 Born: Abt 844 - Loches, France
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1 F Roscille de Lochar ²⁸
 Born: Abt 874 - France
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 Spouse: Foulques "le Roux" Comté d'Anjou (Abt 0870-Abt 0942) ²⁹
Albert Burton McClure and Williette Edna Lockwood

Husband Albert Burton McClure (details suppressed for this person)
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Wife Williette Edna Lockwood (details suppressed for this person)
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1 M Forrest Elwood McClure (details suppressed for this person)
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 Spouse: Mary Elizabeth Talbot (living)
Sources

1. Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1169.
2. Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1170.
3. Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1168.
4. Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd. (Vol. 5. London: Whiting & Co., 1885.), p. 102.
5. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-33.
6. Wikipedia.org, Gruffydd Fychan II.
7. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-32 (Llewellyn ap Owain).
8. Davies, John, A History of Wales. (Rev. ed. New York: Penguin Group, 2007.), p. 137.
9. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-29 (Angharad).
10. Wikipedia.org, Llywelyn the Great.
11. Wikipedia.org, Llywelyn the Great. Cit. Date: 9 Aug 2009.
12. Powys-Land Club, Collections Historical & Archæological Relating to Montgomeryshire, and Its Borders. (Vol. 13. London: Thomas Richards, 1880.), p. 121.
13. http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 9 Aug 2009.
14. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 54-28.
15. Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 102.
16. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27 (Margaret de Beaumont).
17. Wikipedia.org, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester.
18. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27.
19. http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 18 Jul 2009.
20. Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford; Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.
21. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 125-29, 54-28 (Robert II de Quincy).
22. Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester.
23. Wikipedia.org, Elen ferch Llywelyn.
24. Davies, John, A History of Wales. (Rev. ed. New York: Penguin Group, 2007.), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England.
25. Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 29A-27.
26. Wikipedia.org, John of England; Llywelyn the Great.
27. Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2479.htm. Cit. Date: 29 Jun 2013.
28. Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2478.htm.
29. Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2477.htm. Cit. Date: 29 Jun 2013.

Sources

1 Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1169.

2 Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1170.

3 Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg59.htm#1168.

4 Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd. (Vol. 5. London: Whiting & Co., 1885.), p. 102.

5 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-33.

6 Wikipedia.org, Gruffydd Fychan II.

7 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-32 (Llewellyn ap Owain).

8 Davies, John, A History of Wales. (Rev. ed. New York: Penguin Group, 2007.), p. 137.

9 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 254-29 (Angharad).

10 Wikipedia.org, Llywelyn the Great.

11 Wikipedia.org, Llywelyn the Great. Cit. Date: 9 Aug 2009.

12 Powys-Land Club, Collections Historical & Archæological Relating to Montgomeryshire, and Its Borders. (Vol. 13. London: Thomas Richards, 1880.), p. 121.

13 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 9 Aug 2009.

14 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 54-28.

15 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 102.

16 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27 (Margaret de Beaumont).

17 Wikipedia.org, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester.

18 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27.

19 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 18 Jul 2009.

20 Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford; Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.

21 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 125-29, 54-28 (Robert II de Quincy).

22 Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester.

23 Wikipedia.org, Elen ferch Llywelyn.

24 Davies, John, A History of Wales. (Rev. ed. New York: Penguin Group, 2007.), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England.

25 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 29A-27.

26 Wikipedia.org, John of England; Llywelyn the Great.

27 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2479.htm. Cit. Date: 29 Jun 2013.

28 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2478.htm.

29 Website:, http://cybergata.com/roots/2477.htm. Cit. Date: 29 Jun 2013.

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